Hey all, I have an ‘83 650xs that I bought last year that had wiring issues with the original assembly (corroded wires) so I bought a replacement through Mike’s XS. I installed the new assembly and everything seemed to work less the turn signals; however, when I rode the other day the signals came on when I was at higher rpms. I have read several threads about similar issues; and most point to low voltage at idle being the cause and possibility of switching to LED’s, but rather keep the bike somewhat stock for the time being, so wondering if this can be fixed with a new battery or if there is some other wiring issue I am over looking. When I installed the new assembly, one of the ground wires wasn’t connected so I reconnected that, but the low voltage (I assume) issue still persists. Looking for something that might be the silver bullet here, thanks in advance.
-
Enjoy XS650.com? Consider making a donation to help support the site.
XS650.com receives a small share of sales from some links on this page, but direct donations have a much greater impact on keeping this site going.
Turn Signal Issue
- Thread starter Keenbo
- Start date
Test your battery with a volt meter. Sitting your battery should read about 12.8 volts. Engine running at idle it will be the same or a little less because the XS charging system doesn't really work till the revs get up a bit. Rev to 3,000 revs and watch the volt climb to at least between 13.5 and 14 volts. Careful it does't climb to 15 volts or above, (hut it down), because that means your overcharging.
If you cant get to 13 volts at 3,00 revs your rotor could b faulty, in turn that could be your indicator problem.
Jim explains things better here in post #2 and 3
https://www.xs650.com/threads/rewound-alternator-rotor.54276/
If you cant get to 13 volts at 3,00 revs your rotor could b faulty, in turn that could be your indicator problem.
Jim explains things better here in post #2 and 3
https://www.xs650.com/threads/rewound-alternator-rotor.54276/
I have a similar issue by the sound of it. The indicator lights come on but they don't flash. The battery I installed is new but wasn't fully charged. I'll be charging it today and I think that will fix the non flashing problem.
OK, I've fixed my turn signal issue while the battery was charging on my bike.
How to wire a CF14 load independent flasher relay to an XS650.
Caveat - I am not an electrician. This works for me, there's probably other ways that work too. Follow my instructions at your own risk.
I wanted to replace the 47 year old flasher unit with a modern load independent flasher unit. One that isn't so fussy about battery voltage and works with any type of indicator bulb. I already had a new CF14 lying on the shelf so I used it. I also took the opportunity of removing the 47 year old indicator auto cancelling gubbins.
Remove the original relay and note the wires brown = switched live, brown/white is load. In my case yellow/green was found not to work with the moden relay and is going to be insulated and pushed out of the way. It's left visible for the purpose on this thread.
Check the terminals on your new flasher unit. Brown goes to B+, brown/white goes to L and E- goes to ground.
In my installation, I swapped the brown terminal across in the three way push on connector as found on the original wiring. The brown/white terminal was in the correct place. The yellow/green terminal was removed and replaced with a new black ground wire that has a ring terminal at the ground end.
Having switched the wires over as above the new black wire was grounded at one of the coil mount screws as it was convenient.
I just plugged in the rewired three way terminal onto the new CF14 flasher, switched the ignition on and it works.
Perfect flash rate, no more issues with fussy battery voltage and it'll work with LED and regular bulbs. At the moment the regular bulbs are installed. The idiot lights flash correctly and there's no issue removing the old auto cancelling gubbins.
Now I just need to insulate the redundant yellow/green wire and tidy it all up.
Hope that helps someone. Picture -
How to wire a CF14 load independent flasher relay to an XS650.
Caveat - I am not an electrician. This works for me, there's probably other ways that work too. Follow my instructions at your own risk.
I wanted to replace the 47 year old flasher unit with a modern load independent flasher unit. One that isn't so fussy about battery voltage and works with any type of indicator bulb. I already had a new CF14 lying on the shelf so I used it. I also took the opportunity of removing the 47 year old indicator auto cancelling gubbins.
Remove the original relay and note the wires brown = switched live, brown/white is load. In my case yellow/green was found not to work with the moden relay and is going to be insulated and pushed out of the way. It's left visible for the purpose on this thread.
Check the terminals on your new flasher unit. Brown goes to B+, brown/white goes to L and E- goes to ground.
In my installation, I swapped the brown terminal across in the three way push on connector as found on the original wiring. The brown/white terminal was in the correct place. The yellow/green terminal was removed and replaced with a new black ground wire that has a ring terminal at the ground end.
Having switched the wires over as above the new black wire was grounded at one of the coil mount screws as it was convenient.
I just plugged in the rewired three way terminal onto the new CF14 flasher, switched the ignition on and it works.
Perfect flash rate, no more issues with fussy battery voltage and it'll work with LED and regular bulbs. At the moment the regular bulbs are installed. The idiot lights flash correctly and there's no issue removing the old auto cancelling gubbins.
Now I just need to insulate the redundant yellow/green wire and tidy it all up.
Hope that helps someone. Picture -
FANTASTIC INFO - thanks so much IBaLT - well done indeed!
Pete
(a fellow P.Eng. Mechanical Engineer)
Pete
(a fellow P.Eng. Mechanical Engineer)
