Upgrade an "Old" Computer to Windows 11? Why not...

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Now that Microsoft has ended security updates for Windows 10, your old PC grows more vulnerable by the day. Plenty of hackers out there. If you have a system more than a few yrs old, Microsoft (MS) won't let you update to the newer OS. I have a Dell that's less than 2 yrs old and when you run the compatibility utility from Windows, it says it can't be upgraded 'cause it's too old. Wtf!?!

Fear not, there's a fix for that... a workaround actually. See, it's not that your computer won't work with Windows 11... it's MS deciding for you that it won't work. On my Dell for instance, it says the video card is too old and isn't compatible with W11. That doesn't mean it won't work, it's just MS deciding who gets the update and who doesn't. The reality is it'll work just fine.

Here's a small utility that lets you create a bootable USB stick. It's called Rufus, and it's damned simple to use. It creates an ISO file to install W11 and it lets "you" decide what gets added to that file and what gets ignored. You can tell it to ignore (not install) the Windows Compatibility Utility and it won't even look at your computer to see if it measures up. Another part of the W11 installation is Microsoft's insistence that you create a Microsoft account and give them the rights to your first born male. Fuck that!! Just tell Rufus to ignore it and it'll let you install W11 without ever requiring a MS account... marvelous.

EDIT: I started writing out a looong thread on how to do it, then decided to just let this guy explain it. It really is as simple as he makes it out to be.


Just for shits and grins I tried to install it on an ancient Dell touch screen. I bought it in about 2012-ish. It's so old it came with Windows 7. I upgraded it to W10 several years ago and that just clogged it up to the point it was practically unusable.
Not only did Rufus allow me to install W11, but the damn thing is actually a usable computer now. So it's now doing duty down in the basement workshop. It's still no speed demon, but it does just fine for researching parts, repairs and such.
And now it get's regular security updates.

Never say die. :cheers:

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Now that Microsoft has ended security updates for Windows 10, your old PC grows more vulnerable by the day. Plenty of hackers out there. If you have a system more than a few yrs old, Microsoft (MS) won't let you update to the newer OS. I have a Dell that's less than 2 yrs old and when you run the compatibility utility from Windows, it says it can't be upgraded 'cause it's too old. Wtf!?!

Fear not, there's a fix for that... a workaround actually. See, it's not that your computer won't work with Windows 11... it's MS deciding for you that it won't work. On my Dell for instance, it says the video card is too old and isn't compatible with W11. That doesn't mean it won't work, it's just MS deciding who gets the update and who doesn't. The reality is it'll work just fine.

Here's a small utility that lets you create a bootable USB stick. It's called Rufus, and it's damned simple to use. It creates an ISO file to install W11 and it lets "you" decide what gets added to that file and what gets ignored. You can tell it to ignore (not install) the Windows Compatibility Utility and it won't even look at your computer to see if it measures up. Another part of the W11 installation is Microsoft's insistence that you create a Microsoft account and give them the rights to your first born male. Fuck that!! Just tell Rufus to ignore it and it'll let you install W11 without ever requiring a MS account... marvelous.

EDIT: I started writing out a looong thread on how to do it, then decided to just let this guy explain it. It really is as simple as he makes it out to be.


Just for shits and grins I tried to install it on an ancient Dell touch screen. I bought it in about 2012-ish. It's so old it came with Windows 7. I upgraded it to W10 several years ago and that just clogged it up to the point it was practically unusable.
Not only did Rufus allow me to install W11, but the damn thing is actually a usable computer now. So it's now doing duty down in the basement workshop. It's still no speed demon, but it does just fine for researching parts, repairs and such.
And now it get's regular security updates.

Never say die. :cheers:

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Very interesting experience and information.
I upgraded my Windows 10 to 11 a month or so ago when the W10 support ended. I super dreaded-doing this because I thought it would use up resources and make my computer too slow. Have to say that I am rather pleasantly surprised. My computer isn't any slower, a lot of things work better , and 11 is way better than 10. In particular, it has a voice recognition feature that transcribes spoken words to text which actually works pretty well.
As you wrote, I had to create a Microsoft account. Which sucks. But, I've pretty much thrown in the towel when it comes to trying to outsmart my computer. The more I act like a sheep and just do whatever Microsoft wants me to do, the easier my computer life seems to be.
But big kudos to you for outsmarting your computer Microsoft.
 
When I upgraded from Win 10 to Win 11 the only issue I struck was with my monitor. There were no drivers available for my lovely 2003 flatscreen so I spent £85 and got a modern replacement and much larger. Has anyone found a solution for creating custom monitor drivers? I have an old laptop that I could try Win 11 via Rufus on, but I am sure the graphic driver will be an issue. If you cannot get a perfect match for the graphic then the next best setting gives objects that appear shorter and wider. Circles look slightly odd but girly pictures show you a bit more to hang onto.

My first impression was Win 11 runs much faster at start up - this I like very much.

Dreaming: Every few years I consider Linux but always had screen driver issues. With my new monitor I must have another go!!
 
What I find is that my programs dis-appear/will not reload/or just no work.
Any upgrade since XP.

I keep dos/3/7/xp/10 on 7 puters so they work.

Not a fix, but iz there a fix?

Depends on the program and what the obstacle is. But usually NO or with complicated actions
virtualization was a word.

I Also keep old computers I have a scanner that worked in Win 10 but stopped working after a update
magical words " No longer Supported go Buy a new" don't want to - for something not used much.

But it worked in Ubuntu Linux on the same computer dual boot
Which is the opposite to what it was some years ago, Less working in Ubuntu than in Win

When it comes to drivers writing is for experts but if one googles and look at the Screen Manufacturers website there can be drivers available.
and found elsewhere Write in the monitors name code and driver see what happens
If it is a high end video card ( gaming even if old ) in the computer there sometimes are programs to download searching finding recommending
Jaw dropping efficient
 
My first impression was Win 11 runs much faster at start up - this I like very much.

Dreaming: Every few years I consider Linux but always had screen driver issues. With my new monitor I must have another go!!
But it worked in Ubuntu Linux on the same computer dual boot
Which is the opposite to what it was some years ago, Less working in Ubuntu than in Win
On the ancient Dell touchscreen, I installed Ubuntu and it damn near paralyzed the poor thing. Which was odd 'cause I've usually got Linux to run better than Windows in older 'puters.

... and yes, W 11 seems to run faster than W 10 for me also.
 
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Any luck, Jan?
Yes Sir
I believe so it took a while and I somewhere by mistake on the Win 10 had a parental filter installed that took time to get rid off.
Actually difficult until I found the correct website explaining .
And had to download Libre Office and browsers and so . So far it seems to work. No tested further today.

It is a Rather big Box I believe 8 G Ram and Intel i 7 still deemed to old for Win 11

When it comes to Linux speed there are different versions with different capability
Some that pros use -- Not sure if there are costs involved .. I use Ubuntu now

If it is an old computer an older Version can help maybe there are 32 bit and 64 bit difference.
The older versions used to be available at Download mirrors
So say for example a 32 bit computer 15 years old it can help look for a version 12 years old or so.

It is generally so that the whole setup Hardware / Software runs best with items of the same time age.
Dont know much but I do know that one can compile code making the program to zeroes and ones
( C for example ) that the computer understands -- for size or speed aimed at a specific Processor
Size is important for micro controllers allowing for a smaller cheaper Controller
Say for 1000 cars and can save on each.

Linux have those compilers and debuggers and editors for free.
It is open source and there are a lot of clever things done by Rocket Scientists out there uploading good things.

Perhaps there
https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
 
I side-stepped the compulsory Win11 updates and avoided the still-fast-but-hellishly-out-of-date hardware* brick wall by simply installing Long Term Servicing Channel of Win 10. It's for enterprises and for mass instalment across a corporate, where you don't want endless pop ups and pointless distractions. I was using the earlier version of this, the Long Term Servicing Branch for a good few years, with no telemetry or annoyances.
Easy to find and Rufus also installs it.
Even better, there's a Reddit (not them directly, but they signpost it) hack to fool MS into thinking my install is corporate and I'll receive security updates until nearly 2030, iirc.

*I'm running 10 year old server hardware as my PC, 24 cores (48 threads) that ain't all that individually fast, but can chomp through stuff fast enough for me. Rendering movies takes minutes instead of hours. 96GB of RAM, too, so no shortage of image file manipulation and storage space.
 
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I bought an old I 3 laptop with charger for $ 15 at a Thrift store
It was pwd locked user Arne
I believed I could bypass it .
Not so -- Did not want to trash it immediately so used a Live CD Knoppix Ubuntu
successfully to se into the Locked Partition Win --Nothing there of use.

So onward Believed could upgrade to win 11 using the USB stick used a couple of days ago
PLONG
enter the license number .which I obviously did not have
Could not solve that so installed a Ubuntu for now wiping the old
Battery is not charging either .Possibly to old

I believe I can install Win 10 and then do the the upgrade to win 11
Or bin the laptop.
 
So onward Believed could upgrade to win 11 using the USB stick used a couple of days ago
PLONG
enter the license number .which I obviously did not have
Could not solve that so installed a Ubuntu for now wiping the old
One of the computers I upgraded did that too. I thought... "sumbitch, I'm screwed now." Not knowing what else to do, I hit ENTER just so It could pop up and tell me I'm screwed. Damned if it didn't just press on and finish the installation. In fact, it's the computer 'm typing on right now. Must be a RUFUS thing? :umm:
 
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One of the computers I upgraded did that too. I thought... "sumbitch, I'm screwed now." Not knowing what else to do, I hit ENTER just so It could pop up and tell me I'm screwed. Damned if it didn't just press on and finish the installation. In fact, it's the computer 'm typing on right now. Must be a RUFUS thing? :umm:
Plugged in the USB got the same message .. write the license number still did not have it
tried enter NO
tried 2222 ..222 .. ... . NO
did not work

Below left corner was a small print " i dont have a serial code " or something

And tried it New setup screen could chose what Win 11
tried Win 11 Pro

**** AND now the setup is Running ****
currently 22 % complete
 
You gotta figger MS KNOWS this work around is going on, and just lets it happen.
The jumping through hoops and illegality is enough to stop most from doing it, so they let a few scofflaws through and figger it helps them keep dominant market share?


Yes it appears to have Worked .. Installation
Dont ask me how and why I did not expect it to install Linux that I installed uses a different file system
So I had to wipe the disc in order for Win 11 to start installing

Speaking of these hacks it can be difficult to plug the hole ..And if it is Important it will be stopped
There is also the risk of another " Payload " being installed under the hood
With consequences later Encryption of the Disk .Using computer for Bot nets . Stealing Credit card info
Who knows ?? ???? You are on Your own should money disappear

On the other hand there can be people that don't like the Microsoft " Extortion "
Having every senior citizen or so buying new computers for big sums they dont have .

So that can be a valid argument If people cant afford the new computer
They will go to the banks and credit card companies.

" Cant do it to expensive .You need to hire people Staff .here behind the counter remember the Good Old Days
When customers could get service --or Put a computer I can use here inside your Bank "

Then the Bank manager will get nervous What happens next if there are many customers not able to use online Banking.

Here in Europe have been protests against MS Market Monopoly and locking others out.

I believe Linux had a safe Banking setup, Some years ago .. .They most likely can do it again.
I dont know the status at present .But there used to be Professional Companies selling solutions.
That is how a market works ..Cant sell a product many cant afford.
In some countries this is grounds for government intervention.
 
You gotta figger MS KNOWS this work around is going on, and just lets it happen.
The jumping through hoops and illegality is enough to stop most from doing it, so they let a few scofflaws through and figger it helps them keep dominant market share?
In his vid, the Prof insists he just uses legit, readily available software and does nothing illegal. I guess it's just not worth Microsoft's time to plug little gaps as long as the great majority of folks stump up for Eleven on the company's preferred terms.
 
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