Washing machine woes

[grouchie77]

Nearly any gasket can be replaced at least on an emergency basis with a piece of cardboard and a pair of scissors.
It speaks of the company that the service person didn't get enough information to have a frick'n gasket with them when they arrived. Not unusual, how many times have we wanted to strangle someone on the phone that won't listen to information we are willing to share, that will make the whole process go smoother?
My 50 year old BMW; brrm brrm after a long winter nap, the near new electric bicycle has to go 50 miles to a dealer for a service dongle connection to go back to being useful, grr

I could have probably fixed it myself, and would have extracted much pleasure from working on a machine.

But, I was concerned that me putting hands on it might void the warranty. That and I've always been brought up to fix my own fuck-ups and be a responsible human being.

So, they fucked it up, they can fix it.

Service tech replaced the gasket this morning, this is what he replaced. Probably going to take some measurements and order a pack of them from McMaster.

 

[bosco659]

I could have probably fixed it myself, and would have extracted much pleasure from working on a machine.

But, I was concerned that me putting hands on it might void the warranty. That and I've always been brought up to fix my own fuck-ups and be a responsible human being.

So, they fucked it up, they can fix it.

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Service tech replaced the gasket this morning, this is what he replaced. Probably going to take some measurements and order a pack of them from McMaster.

Glad it’s fixed up now. I agree I’d have spare seals on hand “just in case”. Looking at the pic of your boiler, was this something the installer messed up or a mistake from the factory?

Also noticed the use of crimp on connectors. I guess that’s becoming the new standard in plumbing. My next door neighbour, who’s in the industry, says it’s great tech but expensive for the initial investment for the crimp tool (plus fitting cost), BUT, he said it will quickly pay itself back many times over in time savings.

 

[gggGary]

Grundfoz circulators are good stuff, I've run a bunch of them on various boilers.

 

[Pat D]

Glad it’s fixed up now. I agree I’d have spare seals on hand “just in case”. Looking at the pic of your boiler, was this something the installer messed up or a mistake from the factory?

Also noticed the use of crimp on connectors. I guess that’s becoming the new standard in plumbing. My next door neighbour, who’s in the industry, says it’s great tech but expensive for the initial investment for the crimp tool (plus fitting cost), BUT, he said it will quickly pay itself back many times over in time savings.

When there's no room for compression unions or "Sharkbites", old fashioned solder sweating is still the only way. Got more on my agenda this afternoon.

 

[bosco659]

When there's no room for compression unions or "Sharkbites", old fashioned solder sweating is still the only way. Got more on my agenda this afternoon.

With less copper today and more PEX, I doubt I’ll ever use these new compression fittings. On copper I too like soldered joints. Something in me still doesn’t trust Sharkbite fittings.

 

[grouchie77]

Glad it’s fixed up now. I agree I’d have spare seals on hand “just in case”. Looking at the pic of your boiler, was this something the installer messed up or a mistake from the factory?

Also noticed the use of crimp on connectors. I guess that’s becoming the new standard in plumbing. My next door neighbour, who’s in the industry, says it’s great tech but expensive for the initial investment for the crimp tool (plus fitting cost), BUT, he said it will quickly pay itself back many times over in time savings.

Installation issue. They tightened the flanges unequally and it knifed the gasket.

Grundfoz circulators are good stuff, I've run a bunch of them on various boilers.

Grundfos/Yeoman's Chicago Corporation is our biggest customer actually. About half of (if not more) of the yearly parts we make are for them, so it was interesting to see the final product for once.

 

[arcticXS]

With less copper today and more PEX, I doubt I’ll ever use these new compression fittings. On copper I too like soldered joints. Something in me still doesn’t trust Sharkbite fittings.

On the ships I work on, we use Pyplok crimp fittings on stainless steel high pressure hydraulic tubing running up to 250 bar/ 3626 psi operating pressure. Tubing is often 60 mm OD, 50 mm ID. Those Pyplok fittings are more reliable than EO cut ring fittings (which are only available up to 38/42 mm OD anyway), and quick to fit, but of course require specialized hydraulic crimping tools. For lower pressures, typically tap water, fixed firefighting (sprinkling) systems and process water, Mannesmann has a good "crimp fittings" system.
I guess it is all about quick installation time and avoiding hot work.

 

[grouchie77]

modern appliances and how they were designed to fail rather than last long term.

Not just appliances, modern motorcycles from a certain large American manufacturer that has a museum in Milwaukee.

Many many years ago, this Wisconsin-based motorcycle manufacturer calls up a bearing manufacturer and says something to the effect of "we need about 2 dozen prototype bearings for a bike model we're developing" and they email all the specs and their blueprints and such.

My Dad was the Lead R&D guy at this bearing manufacturer. Started out running an automatic drilling and tapping machine as a temp worker back in 1980, worked his way up thru the maintenance department and tool room the be the guy the Engineers called upon when they needed something "a little special".

Anyways, the Engineers ask my Dad "hey can you make these prototypes?" My Dad looks at the drawings and the specs, and says "yes, this is possible". So he comes up with all the processes to make these bearings, all the tools and dies and fixtures needed to make these bearings. Spent probably (as legend has it) a month solid working on these things, using nothing more than a Bridgeport mill, an engine lathe, a ball-grinding machine, an outside heat-treating company and an outside chroming service for the balls.

Gets 'em done, sends them to our Engineering Lab to put them thru the paces. Takes some of them and tests them until absolute failure. Writes up a little report with all his data, sends what prototypes are left and all this data to Wisconsin-based motorcycle manufacturer.

Bike manufacturer sends an email saying that the bearings are too good, and that their customers won't be returning for replacement parts as often and they (WBMM) are going to go with a company that has a shitty product instead so that they can make more profit on replacement bearings and repair time.

 

[Niels B]

Not just appliances, modern motorcycles from a certain large American manufacturer that has a museum in Milwaukee.

Many many years ago, this Wisconsin-based motorcycle manufacturer calls up a bearing manufacturer and says something to the effect of "we need about 2 dozen prototype bearings for a bike model we're developing" and they email all the specs and their blueprints and such.

My Dad was the Lead R&D guy at this bearing manufacturer. Started out running an automatic drilling and tapping machine as a temp worker back in 1980, worked his way up thru the maintenance department and tool room the be the guy the Engineers called upon when they needed something "a little special".

Anyways, the Engineers ask my Dad "hey can you make these prototypes?" My Dad looks at the drawings and the specs, and says "yes, this is possible". So he comes up with all the processes to make these bearings, all the tools and dies and fixtures needed to make these bearings. Spent probably (as legend has it) a month solid working on these things, using nothing more than a Bridgeport mill, an engine lathe, a ball-grinding machine, an outside heat-treating company and an outside chroming service for the balls.

Gets 'em done, sends them to our Engineering Lab to put them thru the paces. Takes some of them and literally tests them until failure. Writes up a little report with all his data, sends what prototypes are left and all this data to Wisconsin-based motorcycle manufacturer.

Bike manufacturer literally sends an email saying that the bearings are too good, and that their customers won't be returning for replacement parts as often and they (WBMM) are going to go with a company that has a shitty product instead so that they can make more profit on replacement bearings and repair time.

It used to be an engine you couldn’t kill even if you tried. I’ve had many and old and a few newer HD, the best was my flathead and my pan, both travelled extensively in Europe - after cruising around for about a month on my flathead I returned home, when I had about 200km left the rear sprocket broke ( a piece came of as the rivets somehow had loosened) - it still took me all way home - with chain tighten to the max and taking it slooow.
The Pan had equal strength - rode it about 500 miles with only compression on one cylinder - it was a butch to start - turned out a ring had broke but stayed in the ring grove and didn’t cause other damage. The good old days

 

[RC4MAN]

It's not just motorcycles. Look at the 6.2 L V8 fiasco GM has been going though. A company that's been the bedrock for V8 engines goes to low tension piston rings, low viscosity 0-20 oil and trusts their Mexico engine plant to guild their "Premier" truck V8 gas engine and not expect issues.