which carbs to use? mikuni bs38's, bs34's or buy new?

Both the Bs34 and 38 carbs are good carbs. Get them tuned well and the bike will run well. I have used both on my 75. The differences are not large, noticeable but not large.
I would recommend you try both. Use the ones you like most.
Leo
 
If you follow all the "general rules" of CV carbs, the smaller carbs will make better low to mid-range power, as the velocity of the intake air is higher through the smaller orifice and it supports more efficient cylinder fill, until the capacity of the engine to flow air overcomes the carb's ability to flow it efficiently. If I were to choose, I would choose the 34's, but since my bike was born with 38's, I'm gonna run them. None of my bikes are "peak power" tuned.
 
I hate to resurrect an old thread but after an hour of searching, I'm finding it hard to find definitive answers. BS 34s offer a better better low to mid range, 38s are better on the top end, but where do VM34s fall in relation? I've found that VM34s might have a harder pull but what's the best all around option all things considered between the three?
 
In order of preference.
VM34 performance across the range. Best throttle response.Don't use with stock pipes
BS38 Good performance with good mileage. Best with stock pipes.
BS34 The Chevy 305 of carbs on a 650

Just my opinion
 
In order of preference.
VM34 performance across the range. Best throttle response.Don't use with stock pipes
BS38 Good performance with good mileage. Best with stock pipes.
BS34 The Chevy 305 of carbs on a 650

Just my opinion


That's what I was looking for. I know these are available everywhere and that sourcing out left and right carbs is a must. Is there a preferred dealer? TcBros has them base tuned for the XS platform and XS650 Central offers the same but are more expensive. Does anyone have any suggestions on a solid route to take when purchasing or anything else to consider?
 
What was not mentioned until Gary’s post is that CV carburetors are more streetable. When your throttle cable is connected directly to the slide, the slightest twitch or bump will instantly change fuel/air feed. Response is instant. Factory CV carburetors smooth or buffer that out. They are more comfortable. If you’re going racing, you probably want to consider something other than CV carbs.
 
I don't know why the VM32 isn't a more popular carburetor for the XS650. The VM34 actually has more unobstructed venturi than the OE BS38 and is enough carburetor for 750 cc. short track and TT race bikes. Rule of thumb, y'all: all else being equal, smaller venturi means easier tuning and better fuel economy.
 
That's what I was looking for. I know these are available everywhere and that sourcing out left and right carbs is a must. Is there a preferred dealer? TcBros has them base tuned for the XS platform and XS650 Central offers the same but are more expensive. Does anyone have any suggestions on a solid route to take when purchasing or anything else to consider?
I do love my TM/RS 34 setup, but those aren't exactly budget friendly.......
They came jetted for an XS with pod filters, and worked great right out of the box, only adjustment so far is idle .....
Nobody has mentioned the GPZ 500 carbs in this thread so far, which is a bit surprising. I thought they were considered a great alternative for the XS?
 
I don't know why the VM32 isn't a more popular carburetor for the XS650. The VM34 actually has more unobstructed venturi than the OE BS38 and is enough carburetor for 750 cc. short track and TT race bikes. Rule of thumb, y'all: all else being equal, smaller venturi means easier tuning and better fuel economy.

That is the consensus here in Europe anyway. I personally only have experience with the standard BS38's but from what I've read on the German xs site, they reckon the VM34's are too big even for the 750 kit, they all upgrade to the VM32's over there.

Now I know we have different engine internals to you guys and the Germans have more stringent annual inspections, but its an interesting topic, I'm surprised it hasn't come up more often.
 
BS38's are things of beauty! Besides being simple and fun to tune. :D
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Madness, yes, and when are you going to do the right thing by her and give her that fine pair of TM36/68 pumpers? Folks, if you don't want to take my word for this you can look at Craig Weeks' dyno charts: on our bikes the difference between a well tuned pair of open throat 34s and an equally well tuned pair of open throat 36s will not be felt in the seat of your pants.
 
Madness, yes, and when are you going to do the right thing by her and give her that fine pair of TM36/68 pumpers? Folks, if you don't want to take my word for this you can look at Craig Weeks' dyno charts: on our bikes the difference between a well tuned pair of open throat 34s and an equally well tuned pair of open throat 36s will not be felt in the seat of your pants.

Wuz actually thinking of YWAIN for the TMs
 
I don't have any experience in swapping carbs or racing the machines. No experience in swapping needles or jets to run K&N's or whatever. As far as I am concerned, my bike is antique. While not that old, yet, it's a conversation piece and short trip road bike that everybody seems to like and many identify with. It doesn't do the ring, ding, ding, ding, but has a nice report. It's fun! My 77, in it's original form as to BS38's, stock air cleaners and engine on points, will cold start in one or two kicks and tick over at 800 rpm, no choke. Warmed up about 1100 to 1200. The bike is set up by the book. Timing chain tension, point gap, timing, carb screw settings, all by the book. ( I'm running the pea shooters now, but I didn't have to change one setting) I would say over all, I'm very pleased but not surprised. It's how the thing was designed to work and within published settings or what good would the book be?
I know and do appreciate people that like to push the limits. There are those here with the knowledge and experience that have pushed the limits too far and then backed off to the optimum of what this machine can be. My hats off to them. Without them, we would not have some of the most beautiful and performance minded machines these bikes can be. Without them, we wouldn't have their child's play of knowledge to keep our stock-ish bikes in form and running.
So I think, to anyone new to the XS650 or bikes in general, stick to the stock parts if you can, and get it working well first. You'll gain knowledge and later, be able to make the changes, up dates and to personalize the machine making it "your" bike. I think you'll save money, time and frustration. It's only 1/3 the fun getting there!
2/3 's the fun of, man, enjoying the ride! :bike:
(To think, I used to spend all my money on Horses and Whiskey)
 
So I think, to anyone new to the XS650 or bikes in general, stick to the stock parts if you can, and get it working well first. You'll gain knowledge and later, be able to make the changes, up dates and to personalize the machine making it "your" bike. I think you'll save money, time and frustration.
Amen!
 
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