why Angus? the garage is for anything motorcycle related, the lounge is for anything otherwise. sorry for starting a thread that already existed, as im a phone only user, i dont much look in the lounge. Franco Uncini was very matter of fact about it, and i think so will be all the riders. they all know the risks! Angus, maybe the 1st fatal since Moto GP, thats only been a few years. cheers