Electric Vehicles, Hybrids...Battery tech... Land Air and Sea. Let's See 'em.

Is the internal combustion engine doomed to history

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • No

    Votes: 21 53.8%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • ...er... what was the question again?

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
Jim said:
You taken delivery on the Maverick yet Mikey?
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Couple of days ago
I like it but the Ionic had a proximity key where you just left your key in your pocket and when you got close to the car it sensed the key and you could then just open any door sit in the vehicle push button to start
The Ford has a fob with lock / unlock buttons for the doors and a button you push so the key flips open like a switch blade BUT you still got to put it into the ignition and turn the key
I know it's nitpicking but that proximity key made loosing the key damn near impossible
 
gggGary said:
Funny you should ask Years ago I wired a 50 amp outlet in the shed for a welder I no longer have. So have the outlet, about 50' of 6-2 and a breaker already! Have you looked at copper wire prices lately? Found a 40 amp 220V juiced charger on FB not far from me, the guy sold his Leaf. $200, other new options from $115 Still thinking on that.
Underneath spraying on the Surface Shield Yoda went to great lengths to clean up, streamline the belly of the car too. Lots of flat plastic panels down there. Hope they hold up to Wisconsin snowmobile season....
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You've got a few options then anyway
And yeah the scrappers are doing good with copper prices
 
An off-grid EV charging station.

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Hmmm…….it seems that not everyone is happy they took the plunge. 🤔​

Half of EV owners will go back to an ICE vehicle (not counting you, Tesla drivers) – study​


“In a seemingly bizarre yet tragic twist, a new study says that EV owners are a fickle bunch. After purchasing an electric vehicle, half of EV owners go back to ICE vehicles as either a replacement car or a second vehicle – all with the exception of Tesla owners, who are (no surprise) notorious for their fierce brand loyalty.

A new study from S&P Global Mobility revealed that EV owners switching back to ICE vehicles had three classic arguments: pricing, infrastructure, and range anxiety, and other consumers just felt better having an ICE or hybrid vehicle in the garage as a backup plan.”

https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/half...vehicle-not-counting-you-tesla-drivers-study/
 
Mailman said:

Hmmm…….it seems that not everyone is happy they took the plunge. 🤔​

Half of EV owners will go back to an ICE vehicle (not counting you, Tesla drivers) – study​


“In a seemingly bizarre yet tragic twist, a new study says that EV owners are a fickle bunch. After purchasing an electric vehicle, half of EV owners go back to ICE vehicles as either a replacement car or a second vehicle – all with the exception of Tesla owners, who are (no surprise) notorious for their fierce brand loyalty.

A new study from S&P Global Mobility revealed that EV owners switching back to ICE vehicles had three classic arguments: pricing, infrastructure, and range anxiety, and other consumers just felt better having an ICE or hybrid vehicle in the garage as a backup plan.”

https://electrek.co/2023/10/17/half...vehicle-not-counting-you-tesla-drivers-study/
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It's kind of funny those 3 problems were reasons people said they would never buy a horseless carriage.
 

Toyota has an important warning for electric vehicle enthusiasts​

The battery supply chain has presented an expensive challenge to automakers. Both price and a lack of charging infrastructure have consumers holding off on making the EV switch.
“I have continued to say what I see as reality,” Toyoda, who recently stepped down as Toyota's CEO, said. "There are many ways to climb the mountain that is achieving carbon neutrality."
One of these alternative methods involves hybrids and plug-in hybrids, something that has long made up a significant share of Toyota's EV sales.

"The reason (hybrids) are so powerful is because they fit the needs of so many customers,"

Toyota, Honda, Ford and GM have all downsized their promises of all electric vehicles, and some cooperative programs have been shelved indefinitely. They are having difficulty in achieving pricing and production goals.

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-...tant-warning-for-electric-vehicle-enthusiasts
 
With outdoor temps still in the 60's 35-40 mile E-range seems about right for the 23 P-Prime.
After the purchase drive home, only one 90 miles trip needed the gas motor for the run back.
Next few days will see highs in the 30's, that'll suck some battery....
Still trying to figger out all the bells n whistles, haven't gotten near the auto park stuff yet. HAH!
It's constantly whining and chiming at me to get my eyes back on the road. But it's fall colors, I wanna look at the trees, Yesss, MOTHER! Even at 6'3" with the steering column in it's lowest position it can't see my eyes when I have the seatback tilted where I like it.
Going to pick up the 220 charging, bits n pieces now.
Allison's still using the "old prius" cuz she's cleaning out her mom's apartment.
On the other hand I've been cutting lots of firewood for us, and a friend.
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Finished stacking at O dark thirty yesterday.
 
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gggGary said:
It's constantly whining and chiming at me to get my eyes back on the road.
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Yeah, we have our first nanny car, it’s always chiming a warning or trying to steer me back to the center of the lane. It tells me if the car in front of me has pulled away at a traffic light ( you know in case I’m not paying attention 🙄) Sometimes curves in the road throw it off, it sees a curb ahead of me and thinks I’m going to run into it. Overall it’s mostly a good thing, but sometimes it feels like having a backseat driver trying to tell you how to drive. 😄
 
Mailman said:
Yeah, we have our first nanny car, it’s always chiming a warning or trying to steer me back to the center of the lane. It tells me if the car in front of me has pulled away at a traffic light ( you know in case I’m not paying attention 🙄) Sometimes curves in the road throw it off, it sees a curb ahead of me and thinks I’m going to run into it. Overall it’s mostly a good thing, but sometimes it feels like having a backseat driver trying to tell you how to drive. 😄
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I’m pretty sure I would not like that.
 
jetmechmarty said:
I’m pretty sure I would not like that.
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I think you would if it prevented you from moving out of lane into the path of a fast approaching vehicle, not noticing the vehicle in front had stopped or started to drift off at the wheel?
I agree the warnings can be annoying but if they stop me having an accident then I'm prepared to accept the occasional 'nudge'.
Anyone getting the warnings on a regular basis should, perhaps, review and improve their driving?
 
There are a lot of people jumping onto electrical bandwagons. Battery power.... take an energy source: turn that energy into electricity, Lose energy through inefficiencies. Transmit that electrical power at high voltagee along power lines to close to its point of use and then reduce the voltage so that it can be used domestically (losing energy through inefficiencies) then use that low voltage to charge vehicle batteries( again losing energy through inefficiencies) wait for hours while you charge the battery in your vehicle.
ICE power: waste a lot of energy in producing fuel which is then stored inside a vehicle ready for use on demand. Some fuels arent very good because they are hydrocarbons which muck up the planet but some fuels dont muck up the planet... when burnt , they produce heat energy and power energy ( either motive power or electricity).
Battery power has been around for longer than ICE. Its rate of delvelopment has been and is very poor. Tesla take a huge battery, put it in a vehicle with a huge electrical motor and you get a long range vehicle which can carry 5 people at a mediocre speed in the winter. Hydrogen, fuel cells, tidal generation used to create hydrogen, ammonia engines, all tech under development and evalution, all better than slapping a big battery into a vehicle. Electrical migh be the way forward but battery power isn't
 
One problem with batteries as an automotive power is weight. Apart from the inherent inefficiency of accelerating a vehicle which is heavy relative to the payload - yet another way bikes beat cars - councils across Britain are having to commission structural surveys of multi-storey car parks. Which risk collapse as more people adopt battery cars.
 
gggGary said:
Think I'll get some stickers made up.
Coal Car
cuz I'm like that.
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Anything electric that I’m using is burning natural gas. A sticker that says that isn’t funny. Unless it says, “Breathe easier, I’m using natural gas.” I think that was once the slogan for unleaded Amoco.
 
I don't think the 'what form does the motive energy take' is an either or question. IMO all the different forms are likely to play a role.
Batteries have their place and as the market has expanded so has research into alternative ways of storing the energy, how to improve the energy density and reduce charging times. I still think we are a way away from way from pure electric vehicle being affordable or practical for the majority.
Hydrogen fuel cells will also feature but electricity production will have to increase significantly before sufficient of the gas can be produce to make it viable.
 
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