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Guys Im trying to find some information on the XS series mag rims.

rd400 - 19F and a 18R

xs650 - special - had 19F and a 16R
xs650 - standard - had ???

tx500 - ?
sr500 - 18R

xs500 - special - 18r?
xs500 - standard - 18r?

xs400 - special - had ???
xs400 - standard - 18F and 18R

70's vs 80's ???

What Im getting after is that I am wanting to toy with a 18/18 setup on my special and wondering what would fit with out major machining.
 
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RD 400 rear 18" mag wheels work with a modified plate. Member Slide has a post about his conversion over at 650 Garage. Look up "slide" and go to pages 64 and 5, he has some posts with dimensions.
 
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I found an XS500 rear mag for my bike. They are not common but they are definitely out there. The cool thing is when you space the rear wheel .400 to the left to center the rear wheel in the bike, the sprockets line up perfectly. They also accept the stock XS650 rear disc and are wide enough to use decent 18" rubber. One other good thing: if you look at the end of the XS650 mag spokes they have a curve where they meet the rim. The RD400 spoke is straighter at the end, but the XS500 spoke shape matches the 650 spoke design perfectly, looks 100% factory.

XS500 wheel:

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RD400 wheel:

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The down side is the sprockets are not easy to find in the 32-33 tooth versions needed to get the gearing right. A CB500T Honda rear sprocket will work if you grind the 10mm mounting holes out to 12mm but those are not exactly on every street corner, I was lucky and found a steel JT. Sprocket Specialists can make you an aluminum sprocket, though.
 
I am almost done fitting a xs500 rear mag in my Special. It is a pretty easy swap. If you're planning on using the stock xs650 caliper, caliper mount, and brake side spacer, you might have to take a little off the brake side spacer to center the rotor in the caliper. I did anyway.

I bought this sprocket and bored out the 4 mounting holes like 1974jh5 said. It fits well.

Cush drive and better tire options are why I chose it over the 19" wheel.
 
I am working on my own 18" conversion using the XS500 2.15 rear wheel. Has anyone else still here done this successfully? I have a question or three...
Thanks,
Jim
 
I have an SR500 rear mag with sprocket and disk....I decide not to use it because the sprocket is 44t. Shipping could be high.
make offer. PM me and I'll send some pics...(have to take some)
 
Thanks but I already have the XS500 tire, wheel and sprocket.
I am looking for some advice re: the axle spacers and the rear brake stay. It looks to me the sprocket will line up pretty good by moving the wheel to the center but that also requires moving the brake caliper bracket and brake stay to the left as well. Or, I can space the disk brake out a tad to the right.
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Thanks but I already have the XS500 tire, wheel and sprocket.
I am looking for some advice re: the axle spacers and the rear brake stay. It looks to me the sprocket will line up pretty good by moving the wheel to the center but that also requires moving the brake caliper bracket and brake stay to the left as well. Or, I can space the disk brake out a tad to the right.
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I didn't do a great job and used washers as spacers. It worked great till but it seems the last time I put it back together I must have gotten the wrong order and now the break inguages when it gets reall hot. But before that I put a good amount of miles on without trouble.
 
I didn't do a great job and used washers as spacers. It worked great till but it seems the last time I put it back together I must have gotten the wrong order and now the break inguages when it gets reall hot. But before that I put a good amount of miles on without trouble.
I can see how that would happen if the caliper bracket is not positioned correctly. I am trying to use the 20mm spacers I have but the 650 dust covers don't fit the 500 wheel. Probably do without those altogether.
 
What did you do about the brake stay? When I move the caliper over to the left the stay moves with it and will not fit in the swingarm bracket. It will bolt up outside the bracket but I don't consider that a solution.
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Update: I got the XS500 rear wheel on and working pretty good. Here's how I did it:
Used what I was told was a 1976 XS500 rear wheel without an axle or rear disc. I paid about $92 shipped. This thing is heavy...
I ordered new bearings from Pyramid Parts in the UK (1x 6205 2RS (25x52x15mm) 1x 6204 2RS (20x47x14mm). The XS500 axle sleeve is the same length as the XS650 sleeve so I used the 650 sleeve from my 16" wheel. I also used the axle, right side spacer, left bearing "hat" and rear disc and caliper.
For the sprocket I followed the advice above and got a 32T 530 four-hole sprocket and drilled the mounting holes out to 12mm. Easy peasy.
The sprocket will line up pretty good by centering the wheel but there will be an additional space of 10mm between the caliper holder and the chain adjuster. On the sprocket side the gap is 22mm. This is using the 650 wheel spacer between the bearing and the caliper mount. Unfortunately the spacer is approx. 2mm too thick which causes the rear caliper to bind up. I comped for this by moving the rear disk 2mm out using washers. Seems to line up OK now. Ideally, I think it would be better to take 2mm off the spacer. I used XS500 seals which fortunately have a 1 1/4" and 1/18" ID. My spacers which came from Old School Mike on eBay came with those ODs. But you have to specify to Mike when you order. He was great and the spacers were perfect (~$20).
Finally, by moving the caliper over 10mm the brake stay no longer lines up. After considering all my options (cutting and welding, fabbing a new stay, attaching to the other side of the bracket, etc) I decided to try a slight bend on both ends. Worked perfectly and the bends are almost imperceptible.
Spacers:
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Rear caliper bind:
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Really happy with the results. Plus now my kickstand works again. Not sure what the final gearing is now. I went from 17/34 on a 16" wheel to 17/32 on an 18" wheel. Since my rev counter is all over the place I'll have to rely on the butt dyno.
Now it's on to seat and tank.
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Hi ThatXS650Guy (Jim)
Thanks for posting up details on the XS500 rear wheel swap... I have a XS500 wheel in transit to me now.
Can you clarify/confirm a few thing for me please...
1. I'm assuming that you did not use the dust seals - part #s 12 and 24 on the diagram below.
2. You used three spacers on the axel:
a. new 22mm wide x 1 1/4 spacer on the sprocket side same position as part # 23
b. stock XS650 spacer next to bearing on brake side - position # 11
c. new 10mm wide x 1 1/8 spacer between brake carrier mount and chain adjuster - not stock

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Thanks
Ron
 
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Ron that sounds about right for the first time I did it. I ended up going to the larger XS1100 rear disc and carrier and then switched to the lighter weight thinner rotor so I've made a few revisions which required different spacers. On the sprocket side I went with a stepped spacer at some point.
 
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