Fndirtygreaser
XS650 Addict
I don't want I pay taxes either. 9.5% in Cali is brutal
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A naturally progressive , fair sales tax.
No income tax and no exemptions.....everybody will then have skin in the game.
Naturally progressive as in those that have the big bucks buy lotsa shit and pay lotsa tax......those with little ,buy little and pay little tax. Those that don't want to pay tax will do with what they can or scrounge.....could put a big dent in landfills and possibly the end of the throw-away mentality. Let them SOB's in dc base their budget on the previous years take. Seven thousand pages of regulations could be used for toilet paper.
No income tax and no exemptions.....everybody will then have skin in the game.
Naturally progressive as in those that have the big bucks buy lotsa shit and pay lotsa tax......those with little ,buy little and pay little tax. Those that don't want to pay tax will do with what they can or scrounge.....could put a big dent in landfills and possibly the end of the throw-away mentality. Let them SOB's in dc base their budget on the previous years take. Seven thousand pages of regulations could be used for toilet paper.
xskid
xskid
I agree ^^ 
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member3480
RICH
DUDE BUILD WHAT YOU WANT and JUST RIDE THE HELL OUT OF IT
Does a CHOPPER RIDE BETTER THAN A STOCK BIKE NO!
Does a BOBBER ride better than a stock Bike NO!
Does a stock bike ride better than a NEWER BIKE NO!
Your talking about a 30 year old bike??????
If you want something to ride better go drop $12,000 down on a new bike and will it ride better than the next bike NO!!!!!
I been riding for 45 years and roads SUCK people in cars SUCK so there aren't too many roads out there that you can lay on the tank and let it hang out. If you have one in your town be proud of it.
You build because you want to be different. Anyone can go to the dealer and by the same bike. Theres 20 of them in different colors in there.
You BUILD TO LOOK AND BE DIFFERENT THATS IT!!!!!
You guys really did a 160 on this thread . Watch what you said its in PRINT FOREVER..
Does a CHOPPER RIDE BETTER THAN A STOCK BIKE NO!
Does a BOBBER ride better than a stock Bike NO!
Does a stock bike ride better than a NEWER BIKE NO!
Your talking about a 30 year old bike??????
If you want something to ride better go drop $12,000 down on a new bike and will it ride better than the next bike NO!!!!!
I been riding for 45 years and roads SUCK people in cars SUCK so there aren't too many roads out there that you can lay on the tank and let it hang out. If you have one in your town be proud of it.
You build because you want to be different. Anyone can go to the dealer and by the same bike. Theres 20 of them in different colors in there.
You BUILD TO LOOK AND BE DIFFERENT THATS IT!!!!!
You guys really did a 160 on this thread . Watch what you said its in PRINT FOREVER..
DIRTY DOG
XS650 Guru
I said I would stay out but this is getting out of hand. leave the religion and politicsout of this. This is an m/c fourm we are motorcycle nuts have'n a discussion about
bobber brats choppers and stock bikes that it. lets get back to that you want to talk
religion go to church, want to talk politics then go see who ever you need to just not here.
we have too much stress in our lives as it is we come on here to have fun and talk about the shit we build and love... love what you ride ride what you love FTW.
Jeez, Scrambled, don't post what ya don't know! The "CH" in "XLCH" had nothing to do with "chopped." The origin goes like this. In 1952, HD came out with their first unit construction motorcycle. It was a 45 c.i. sidevalver, designated the K. Variants included the KR (Harley's race machine until the 1972 rules change), KK (street bike with KR cam), and KH (55 c.i.)
The XL (Sportster) motor was simply an overhead valve top end on K cases. The "H" character was retained from the K series to designate 55 c.i. displacement. The original Sportster was the 1957 XLH, with battery ignition and touring tank and seat. The XLCH came later, with no battery (magneto ignition), smaller tank, and smaller seat. There was an open class in AMA Sportsman TT racing, and you'd see an XLCH entered from time to time.
Don't generalize about the "H" designator. In the big OHV V-twin models, it indicated a high compression motor. The 61 c.i. machine as was offered as the EL (low compression) or ELH and the 74 as FL (low compression) or FLH.
The XL (Sportster) motor was simply an overhead valve top end on K cases. The "H" character was retained from the K series to designate 55 c.i. displacement. The original Sportster was the 1957 XLH, with battery ignition and touring tank and seat. The XLCH came later, with no battery (magneto ignition), smaller tank, and smaller seat. There was an open class in AMA Sportsman TT racing, and you'd see an XLCH entered from time to time.
Don't generalize about the "H" designator. In the big OHV V-twin models, it indicated a high compression motor. The 61 c.i. machine as was offered as the EL (low compression) or ELH and the 74 as FL (low compression) or FLH.
neanderthal
neanderthal
as a way to show how off track this thread got and bring the heat down to a simmer..you got to read it them all to understand the progress of things. same goes with politics. its dead now guys...
who ever has the power, could you delete all the non sense in this thread?
This whole thread needs to be deleted.....................its a text book example of all the things you should not do in a thread.
It has some value....................it could be kept as a "sticky" and all new members would be forced to read it so they would know what "idiot posting" looks like.
It has some value....................it could be kept as a "sticky" and all new members would be forced to read it so they would know what "idiot posting" looks like.
retiredgentleman why is it the most active thread on the board?
Look at the varied posters, even those that condemn these type of threads are posting.
Even though it may only be to ask the thread be done away with.
Maybe a sub-forum with this as the only thread and let it run.
Numbers seem to be the end all for business today and this thread is sure racking up the numbers. Started the 16th, 3 days ago, and already 90 posts in 3 days.
While I've always admired Travis's stand on this I think he is missing a marketing tool.
Those that come to the site for just XS help would have a valuable knowledge base supported by those (me included) who up the traffic numbers.
Site traffic = money. Making money isn't a clean affair it always has some amount of grit involved.
Look at the varied posters, even those that condemn these type of threads are posting.
Even though it may only be to ask the thread be done away with.
Maybe a sub-forum with this as the only thread and let it run.
Numbers seem to be the end all for business today and this thread is sure racking up the numbers. Started the 16th, 3 days ago, and already 90 posts in 3 days.
While I've always admired Travis's stand on this I think he is missing a marketing tool.
Those that come to the site for just XS help would have a valuable knowledge base supported by those (me included) who up the traffic numbers.
Site traffic = money. Making money isn't a clean affair it always has some amount of grit involved.
Scrambled
Motorcycle Man
Sorry, but you are wrong , I owned a 1963 sportster XLCH . Even in your post you say that the designation letters on a harley mean something , and you even mention how the XL CH had been " chopped " right from the factory, no battery, small tank, small seat + a few other modifications that made it lighter, quicker and handled better than a stock XL.
deadchef
xsbobblehead
off topic? check
mud slinging? check
religion? check
politics? check
all we need now is an alien debate and this thread will be complete!
mud slinging? check
religion? check
politics? check
all we need now is an alien debate and this thread will be complete!
BWHAHAHAHA
A bobber was a bike with everything that didn't make it go or stop taken off. This made the bike light and fast.
A chopper had the frame cut and modified.
So the term bobber as used today where you cut and modify the frame is not a bobber but a chopper.
Leo
A chopper had the frame cut and modified.
So the term bobber as used today where you cut and modify the frame is not a bobber but a chopper.
Leo
neanderthal
neanderthal
xlch was the lighter race version
Models beginning with X are Sportsters. These descend from the K series, 1952-56. The XL series started in 1957. X was in the normal series, following the U and V used for flathead Big Twins. L stood for high compression XLH with H meaning Higher-power or High-compression or Hot. XLCH: The C in XLCH was intended to mean "Competition"
not chopped. marketing today might do something like that, but back then if it came from the factory, it was factory stock. chopped has nothing to do with it. sorry scrambled.
neanderthal
neanderthal
+1 on that, bobbers came about before the swing arm. therefor they were factory hardtailed. people get confused on this factor.
Pretty much right, Leo. The term "chop" was originally used by auto customizers to refer to lowering the roof. A "chopped" bike was one that had the steering head cut and raked to level the chassis when extended forks were installed. Bobbing was also originally a custom auto term, referring to fender treatments, and the original usage in reference to motorcycles was the same; it referred to shortening or replacing the fenders of a Harley 74, and right, other steps to lighten the machine were also part of the treatment; seating was usually changed, excess tin was removed, etc. A "fat bob" was a 74 with the big tanks left in place.
These terms became twisted and misused due to the effects of mind altering hyperwave signals directed by aliens, which have caused otherwise decent humans to believe themselves to be deeply informed on subjects about which they know absolutely nothing. The manipulations of these ET's have affected almost every sphere of human life--religion, politics, discourse, ability to follow a train of thought without digression, and, yes, the motorcycle hobby (or, as those most seriously impacted by the space invaders would call it, "lifestyle"). Keep your helmets lined with tinfoil, guys, it's the only sure defense.
Neanderthal, the XLCH was a high performance street bike, with lights, horn, etc.; the only AMA sanctioned race event in which it could be used was, as I said, Sportsman TT, and it took one helluva rider to compete with the 500 and 650 cc. Brit iron on those tracks. The Harley race machine of the day was the KR 45 c.i. sidevalver in Expert class and the 250 cc. Sprint in Amateur class.AMA rules allowed 45 c.i. flatheads to run against 30.5 c.i. OHV motors. Those were the days of spool hubs front and back in flat track racing. I misstated the year of the rule change to 750 cc. overall--it was 1970. BTW, "L" simply designated OHV models. In the big OHV twins (EL, FL) high CR models were labeled "H" (ELH, FLH).
These terms became twisted and misused due to the effects of mind altering hyperwave signals directed by aliens, which have caused otherwise decent humans to believe themselves to be deeply informed on subjects about which they know absolutely nothing. The manipulations of these ET's have affected almost every sphere of human life--religion, politics, discourse, ability to follow a train of thought without digression, and, yes, the motorcycle hobby (or, as those most seriously impacted by the space invaders would call it, "lifestyle"). Keep your helmets lined with tinfoil, guys, it's the only sure defense.
Neanderthal, the XLCH was a high performance street bike, with lights, horn, etc.; the only AMA sanctioned race event in which it could be used was, as I said, Sportsman TT, and it took one helluva rider to compete with the 500 and 650 cc. Brit iron on those tracks. The Harley race machine of the day was the KR 45 c.i. sidevalver in Expert class and the 250 cc. Sprint in Amateur class.AMA rules allowed 45 c.i. flatheads to run against 30.5 c.i. OHV motors. Those were the days of spool hubs front and back in flat track racing. I misstated the year of the rule change to 750 cc. overall--it was 1970. BTW, "L" simply designated OHV models. In the big OHV twins (EL, FL) high CR models were labeled "H" (ELH, FLH).
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neanderthal
neanderthal
yes it was a street bike, but a race version. you would not have a headlight in a race among other things.
I wonder what they called in the chariot races? I think folks may have been "choppin and bobbin" longer than some think. And did the aliens influence design? Oh wait they did wear metal helmets then, so no alien influence happened till the advent of the cowboy hat?
Its the most active because men like drama and trash talk and just plain fighting with each other. The history of mankind is mostly filled with wars and mans inhumanity to man. If a space ship from a far away planet discovered earth on a scouting trip, as soon as they reviewed our history, they would keep on travelling looking for a civilized race of people.
Yes, if Travis wants to up the numbers and make more money, then he could relax the rules to allow religion and politics in the threads. However, the collateral damage to the site might be extensive., as the quality heads south.
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