Nutrition health and Weight loss

peanut said:

ahhh I thought it was a joke and I wasn't getting it lol I missed the link .

Unfortunately this intense weight training and aerobic exercise as a method of losing body fat is not a sensible approach at all. It has been proven beyond doubt that changing your diet is far more effective and probably more healthy too.

The tests that were carried out all appear to be of healthy young active adults who I suspect didn't have significant overweight issues to start with. There is insufficient evidence provided in the links to see what type of randomised control tests were carried out if at all.

the problem with intense and aerobic exercise is it uses a lot of energy which the body needs to supply and replace immediately . If you are not in ketosis then the muscles will burn glucose from carbohydrates and not fat stores.

In addition to that muscles need a whole lot more glucose so the more muscle you put on the greater the bodies requirements for glucose the more you need to eat ........

I don't think this is really aimed at the majority of overweight chronically ill 50 year olds to be frank You could lose far more fat by cutting out bread potatoes cake biscuits and other carbs and just doing a 20 minute daily speed walk or cycle for exercise

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Correct, nutrition is 95% of it. The problem is losing lean body mass when you are losing fat. It’s important to keep the muscle fat. If you just do cardio you can lose muscle along with the fat.

Oops, I mean keep the muscle while you lose the fat.

I hope this is useful:

TerribleTabo1 said:

I hope this is useful:

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TerribleTabo1 said:

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I cannot read it the file is too small so I cannot comment on its content .?


have you read the introduction and aims of this thread ? it will give you an insight into what this thread is all about
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'Seeing as many of us are getting on a bit and have various health and weight issues I thought it might be useful to start a dedicated thread to keep us abreast of current developments in our understanding of Nutrition and how it effects our general Health.

I also thought it could be somewhere we could record our progress with any weight loss program we may be on and perhaps receive some advice, tips and support .

All nutritional advice given should include a link to the scientific or medical source please as there is already enough quackery and bullshit on the net to sink a carrier.

peanut said:

Actually TT this site is not just unhelpful it is downright dangerous and misleading . It really has absolutely no place on this health and nutrition thread .

Everywhere you look they offer high energy drinks and snacks that are loaded with sugar and carbohydrates. They are even advocating people take Testosterone and probably steroids . ! here is a typical 'healthy snack ' recipe loaded with sugar
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/tip-make-this-healthy-banana-bread .

• 8 Ounces (220g) rolled oats
• 2.5 Scoops (75g) vanilla Metabolic Drive® Protein. (chocolate will also work)
• 1/3 Cup extra-virgin olive oil
• 1/2 Cup honey or maple syrup
• 2 Medium eggs
• 2 Large ripe bananas
• 1/3 Cup fat-free Greek yogurt
• 1 Teaspoon baking soda (not baking powder!)
• 1 Teaspoon vanilla extract
• 1/2 Teaspoon salt
• 1/2 Teaspoon ground cinnamon
• Optional: Half a cup of mix-ins like chopped nuts, chocolate chips, seeds, dried fruit, or fresh banana slices.

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I’m just referring to the article, not the website.

The article and the website are bullshit...bananna bread is loaded with carbs and sugars..just what we are trying to avoid..you really need to start from the beginning here..we dont need anymore dis-information...

Actually, carbs are not inherently bad. Anything In excess can be detrimental to your goals.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/weight/why-carbohydrates-are-important-for-your-diet.aspx

TerribleTabo1 said:

Correct, nutrition is 95% of it. The problem is losing lean body mass when you are losing fat. It’s important to keep the muscle fat. If you just do cardio you can lose muscle along with the fat.

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terrible tabo 1 you do not lose muscle when you are eating a low carb high fat and protein diet.

The very last thing the body will burn to produce energy from glucose is protein ie muscle because its a lot easier and more efficient for the body to burn stored fat.
Protein would only get used if you were on a starvation diet or fasting.

On a high fat high protein diet you are getting ample nutritionally dense food which the body will use to produce energy and any deficit will get taken from first the fat stored around your organs which is the whole point of a ketogenic diet.

Please try and watch some of the videos on this thread which will explain what this thread is all about .It is important that only sound advice is posted otherwise this nonsense will just get perpetuated .
This video would be a good starting point to get an insight into what nutrition is all about.

Peanut, I never said "you lose muscle when you are eating a low carb high fat and protein diet." I'm referring to the importance of strength training
(Metabolic Resistance Training) as opposed to an all cardio workout regimen. I'm not endorsing anything else on that website.

https://www.precisionnutrition.com/low-carb-diets

TerribleTabo1 said:

Actually, carbs are not inherently bad. Anything In excess can be detrimental to your goals.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/weight/why-carbohydrates-are-important-for-your-diet.aspx

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This statement that you have made on this thread is completely wrong it is not only misinformation it is unsubstantiated and unhelpful .It is in direct contradiction to the facts that I am trying to put across here. !

If you do not understand how detrimental carbohydrates are to health then I'd strongly recommend that you do a little research yourself and find out the facts rather than guessing and posting this nonsense on this important thread.

it is estimated that more than half the Worlds population is now suffering with type 2 Diabetes ,, and other chronic conditions like Hypothyroidism, Parkinsons ,Athritis, Coronary heart disease, Athroschlerosis, Asthma, Fibromyalgia , and many other life threatening illnesses and its on the increase at a crisis level.

If you really believe that your statement 'Actually, carbs are not inherently bad.' has any validity,prove it with links to the scientific meta analysis or randomised control tests that support your statement otherwise I would ask you please to remove it as it is not helpful .

Millions of people around the World are dying every year of strokes , heart attacks and Diabetes. Hundreds every day are having their toes , feet and legs amputated due to Diabetes . The majority of this is all due to eating Carbohydrates.

Its clear that you have not bothered to read any of this thread or watch any of the videos but I challenge you to watch the Zoe Harcombe video or 'The Widow Maker' video .

The information and guidance in this thread is for you !........... and others ...that still have time to reverse the advance of chronic illness that will inevitably come if you do not change an unhealthy lifestyle and nutrition.

Its already too late to benefit me as I already have T2 Diabetes,Hypothyroidism, Stage 3 Hypertension, a massive brain tumour, Lipidemia, non alcholic fatty liver disease, low growth hormone ,low testosterone, pheriferal neuropathy ( I can't feel the front half of my feet ) and various other conditions .

Peanut..we're being trolled..ignore the troll... carry on sir..

thanks max... I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but I am beginning to feel you may be right.

I am really passionate about this and spend a great deal of my time researching and investigating on the net and I subscribe to the BMA lancet and Diabetes UK and the Pituitary Foundation .

I see so much rubbish on the net ,conflicting ideas and opinions which are leaving people that are interested in improving their health and nutrition wondering who is right and who is wrong. Questions like ...what are we supposed to eat to be healthy. ? What is causing all our chronic disease and illness .?

My aim here is to try to sift through all the misinformation and collate and post all the current research and findings on this thread so that anyone interested can have the links at their fingertips. Every bit of unsubstantiated nonsense that is posted here is just defeating the objective and throwing doubt and confusion into the thread.

peanut said:

thanks max... I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but I am beginning to feel you may be right.

I am really passionate about this and spend a great deal of my time researching and investigating on the net and I subscribe to the BMA lancet and Diabetes UK and the Pituitary Foundation .

I see so much rubbish on the net ,conflicting ideas and opinions which are leaving people that are interested in improving their health and nutrition wondering who is right and who is wrong. Questions like ...what are we supposed to eat to be healthy. ? What is causing all our chronic disease and illness .?

My aim here is to try to sift through all the misinformation and collate and post all the current research and findings on this thread so that anyone interested can have the links at their fingertips. Every bit of unsubstantiated nonsense that is posted here is just defeating the objective and throwing doubt and confusion into the thread.

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I know .. I get it...It is appreciated that you give folks the benefit of the doubt...It is clear when someone doesnt care to read the contents of the thread in order to converse in an intelligent manner. They violate the common rules of decency to make their erroneous statements to try and inflame and disrespect not only you and I but in reality everyone on this forum. It is ineveitable that such people exist..for they are part of the problem and far from the solution for motivations one can only imagine.

Sorry, I agree to disagree and don’t believe everything I read on the internet. Carbohydrates are not inherently bad. If you eat too much of anything it can be detrimental to your health. The key is moderation. Sorry for your health problems. My clients and coworkers do cut down their carb down intake to lose weight but it is usually in the short term. They are pretty healthy and the ones that practice moderation and follow the portion control in their diet are still able to lose weight without cutting out all carbohydrates.

TerribleTabo1 said:

Sorry, I agree to disagree and don’t believe everything I read on the internet. Carbohydrates are not inherently bad. If you eat too much of anything it can be detrimental to your health. The key is moderation. Sorry for your health problems. My clients and coworkers do cut down their carb down intake to lose weight but it is usually in the short term. They are pretty healthy and the ones that practice moderation and follow the portion control in their diet are still able to lose weight without cutting out all carbohydrates.

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I have asked you to show me the evidence for this rubbish about carbs being healthy and you have not been able to.

it is perfectly clear to me that you are completely ignorant of these subjects and know nothing whatsoever about nutrition and health matters.
Where is the evidence to back up your claims that
1.Carbohydrates are not inherently bad.
2. If you eat too much of anything it can be detrimental to your health.
3. The key is moderation.

These are just stupid, irresponsible throwaway opinions that have no basis in fact.

If you do not believe anything on this thread Why are you posting here ???? it can only be because you want to be disruptive and start an argument

You are clearly posting on here to antagonise and cause disruption so Max was right about you being a troll.



As you clearly do not believe or have a completely different view to current scientific tests ,evidence ,randomised control tests and meta analysis from the top Cardiologists and Nutritionists published all over the World in key medical and scientific journals, what on earth do you believe in?

Why not start your own thread and stop posting your ignorant rubbish opinions on my thread please Is that too much to ask ?

I never wrote that carbs are healthy, I simply stated carbs are not inherently bad. There is a difference. It's very difficult to totally eliminate all carbohydrates from ones diet.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...2xIf3qBkw5uKwcoeh9nRTyadHYDQKiqC6HWGaw0UgkG5s

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/carbohydrates--good-or-bad-for-you

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/low-carb-and-womens-hormones#section3
Carbs Can Be Beneficial for Thyroid Function
Your thyroid gland produces two hormones: thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3).

These two hormones are necessary for a wide range of bodily functions.

These include breathing, heart rate, the nervous system, body weight, temperature control, cholesterol levels and the menstrual cycle.

T3, the active thyroid hormone, is very sensitive to calorie and carb intake. If calorie or carb intake is too low, T3 levels drop and reverse T3 (rT3) levels increase (13Trusted Source, 14Trusted Source).

Reverse T3 is a hormone that blocks the action of T3. Some studies have shown that ketogenic diets reduce T3 levels.

One study found that T3 levels dropped by 47% over 2 weeks in people consuming a no-carb diet. In contrast, people consuming the same calories but at least 50 grams of carbs daily experienced no changes in T3 levels (14Trusted Source).

Low T3 and high rT3 levels can slow your metabolism, resulting in symptoms such as weight gain, fatigue, lack of concentration, low mood and more.

One study found that, after 1 year, a diet consisting of moderate carbs (46% of total energy intake) had more positive effects on mood than a long-term diet of very low carbs (4% of total energy intake) in overweight and obese adults (15Trusted Source).
(You can click the links to PubMed Central )

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1249190
Subjects receiving the no-carbohydrate hypocaloric diets for two weeks demonstrated a similar 47% decline in serum T3 but there was no significant change in rT3 with time. In contrast, the same subjects receiving isocaloric diets containing at least 50 g of carbohydrate showed no significant changes in either T3 or rT3 concentration. The decline in serum T3 during the no-carbohydrate diet correlated significantly with blood glucose and ketones but there was no correlation with insulin or glucagon. We conclude that dietary carbohydrate is an important regulatory factor in T3 production in man.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/fiber/

Fiber
Fiber is a type of carbohydrate that the body can’t digest. Though most carbohydrates are broken down into sugar molecules, fiber cannot be broken down into sugar molecules, and instead it passes through the body undigested. Fiber helps regulate the body’s use of sugars, helping to keep hunger and blood sugar in check.

peanut said:

actually marty turnips are almost as high in carbs as potatoes , its easier to use above ground and below ground vegetables to be a guide. Vegetables above ground (ie leafy greens) contain the least calories and are therefore low carb .
Heres a quick glance guide that I haven't checked the source but it looks correct .https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetables

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GOOGLE knows all! "Turnips are perfect for a low carb or keto diet! 1 medium turnip has 8 grams of carbs and 2.2 grams of fiber, making one whole turnip just 5.8 net carbs."

Peanut, thank you for the information on a day's diet. I get what you are attempting to achieve here for the benefit of others.

Low carbohydrate flour: I mentioned this earlier but neglected to add any references. I see that coconut flour is commonly cited in "Low Carb" recipes and has the following nutritional analysis from the Connecticut Coconut Company:
http://www.ctcoconut.com/files/Coconut_FlourTech_Specs_and_Nutritional_Values2.pdf

Taking average values gives:
Total Carbohydrate (Sugars,Starch and Fibre) 59%
(Net Carbohydrate 22%: See note below)
Crude Protien 18%
Crude Fat 12% max.
Ash 5%
Moisture 5% max

Note: Although the carbohydrate content is high at 59%, we are really only concerned with the percent that can be digested i.e. Net Carbohydrate. This value is somewhere in the order of 37% of the Total Carbohydrate based on ratios provided at:
https://perfectketo.com/is-coconut-flour-keto-friendly/

These values indicate the net carbohydrate level in coconut flour is about half that of wheat flour. Therefore the use of coconut flour in a keto diet must still be carefully controlled. Typically the low carbohydrate bread recipes I have seen use a small amount of coconut flour and bulk it out by folding it into whipped egg whites to give a light fluffy bread like product.

jetmechmarty said:

I suggest you start anew. Don’t try to substitute what you’re already eating. Retrain your palate for healthy food. Once you change your diet, your gut will adjust, at least, that has been my experience.

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I think there is alot of merit in Jetmecmarty's comment in Entry 126 above regarding retraining one's palate!