qld,a police state???

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the local bike club who is a social club (not a outlaw club) had theit 4th yearly dirt drags yesterday.last 3 years no trouble of any kind with the local cops just putting their heads in to have a look. yesterday a compleate road block on the way in.breatherlizer.lic rego checks etc for everyone and another 10 or 12 police wandering around inside.and this for a quiet old fashion country event with maybe 2-300 people alot of which were just kids on dirt bikes.if its like this in the bush id hate to think what its like at the moment riding around the citys.according to the brisbane newspapers the police have been told to pull over every bikie the see even if they are doing nothing wrong to get their details for future intelligence.yesterday our ex publican (a woman in her early 60s) in a car with her husbane and another local in the back got the same treatment on the way in and they also insisted on identifying them as well.looks like we are going back to the bad old days again :yikes:
 
I was just reading about Bjelke-Peterson. Doesn't Australia have a Constitution of some kind?
 
JD i was going to sign that petition then released the Author hadn't put his name to it. Why? If the petition was started by an enthusiasts club or has a name that was check-able then i would sign in a heartbeat. Checked out the blog, (Petition for what ever someone wants to petition for), and anyone could have started that petition, meaning it could have been a Gang member. Without transparency it could be helping the outlaw gangs using enthusiasts to help them fight legislation to curb them. Here is a link to the Blog page that has the petition on it.

This is all in the response to the bikie gangs latest public fights and their storming of a police station, and the Patch over of the Finks by the Mongols.It is a power play between the Mongals, (finks patch over), banditos and hells angels. This is what has caused the government to take a heavy hand and now all bikers are paying for it.

here are Some links to the latest public brawls and some info on the gangs that are at the heart of it. Help to understand what has caused the response by the gov't

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Write a petition the the Federal member for Leichhardt, Warren Entsch, himself a self confessed enthusiastic Harley riding biker. The man himself would be worried about the impact on genuine enthusiast bike riders. Warren is currently patron of the Vietnam Veterans’ Motorcycle Club (FNQ Chapter)
Cairns Electorate office Phone no; (07) 4051 2220 Email; warren.entsch.mp@aph.gov.au
 
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Sounds like Bjelke Peterson all over again

your not wrong in those days 70s early 80s you got pulled over just for wearing a black helmet even though it was not illegal.in those days when heading south or north with traveling gear on the back learnt to by pass brisbane compleatly as could never pass through with out getting hassled.1 time between bris and the gold coast was pulled over 4 times and warrant checked and no i wasnt in a club etc
 
JD i was going to sign that petition then released the Author hadn't put his name to it. Why? If the petition was started by an enthusiasts club or has a name that was check-able then i would sign in a heartbeat. Checked out the blog, (Petition for what ever someone wants to petition for), and anyone could have started that petition, meaning it could have been a Gang member. Without transparency it could be helping the outlaw gangs using enthusiasts to help them fight legislation to curb them. Here is a link to the Blog page that has the petition on it.

This is all in the response to the bikie gangs latest public fights and their storming of a police station, and the Patch over of the Finks by the Mongols.It is a power play between the Mongals, (finks patch over), banditos and hells angels. This is what has caused the government to take a heavy hand and now all bikers are paying for it.

here are Some links to the latest public brawls and some info on the gangs that are at the heart of it. Help to understand what has caused the response by the gov't

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Write a petition the the Federal member for Leichhardt, Warren Entsch, himself a self confessed enthusiastic Harley riding biker. The man himself would be worried about the impact on genuine enthusiast bike riders. Warren is currently patron of the Vietnam Veterans' Motorcycle Club (FNQ Chapter)
Cairns Electorate office Phone no; (07) 4051 2220 Email; warren.entsch.mp@aph.gov.au

your right skull,if they dont put their name to it you dont know what use it will be put to.it could be a outlaw club or even the police trying to get intel but its starting to become a frenzy with the media.if there is a brawl somewhere quite often the news snippets starts off as belived not bikie related or maybe 1 person could be a assosiate of a bike club.as bad as all this biz is we all know once you give the police open slather on any thing how hard it is to stop them misusing their powers and pull them back into line ,and meanwhile it will be us normal bike riders paying the cost
 
Just posted those links so the guys overseas could understand what bought this to a head.

Totally agree about the politicians using the police to gain public support that will erode the freedom of law abiding bikers, and using any association to a bike club as guilty of organized crime till proved innocent.

That is why we need to contact the right people and use our bike clubs to organize club members to partake in a group action, (emails, or petitions through clubs), so the police can use their resources for real reasons instead of the waste like the meet you went to, or pulling over any 3 bikers.
 
It seems a large part of the problem is scooter trash exports from here. That's embarrassing. I guess they have been slammed down so hard here that we seldom see what you are seeing. I live in Texas which is home to tye Bandidos, but I have not seen more than a pair of them at a time anywyere outside San Antonio except Austin. Off shore chapters provide a lot of thier funds nowadays.
Sorry you have these shit bags causing problems for normal human beings. Plus, I don't ever recall a biker brawl at a smoothie shop here! What the fuck is that all about? Ours are at bars, night clubs, casinos, truck stops, and campgrounds most of the time. Oh well. Sucks either way, but worse being in the heart of tourism.
 
It's a journo by the name of Mark Hinchliffe who has a blog called Motorbike Writer. I've seen his by-line in the local papers in Melbourne doing bike reviews. If you keep clicking on the links it will take you to his blog page and then a profile of him.
 
It seems a large part of the problem is scooter trash exports from here. That's embarrassing. I guess they have been slammed down so hard here that we seldom see what you are seeing. I live in Texas which is home to tye Bandidos, but I have not seen more than a pair of them at a time anywyere outside San Antonio except Austin. Off shore chapters provide a lot of thier funds nowadays.
Sorry you have these shit bags causing problems for normal human beings. Plus, I don't ever recall a biker brawl at a smoothie shop here! What the fuck is that all about? Ours are at bars, night clubs, casinos, truck stops, and campgrounds most of the time. Oh well. Sucks either way, but worse being in the heart of tourism.

smoothie bar,yep,been thinking of renaming them the milkie bar kids:laugh:.but things are getting out of control.our state premier (governor to o/s members) has stated he is preposing to set up a special prison (wing?) nth of brisbane for bikies to be housed. bikies with 23 hours lock down,no tv,no gym and all visits and mail heaverly restricted.also stated he will bring in laws that any bikie convicted of a serious crime will do a magnitory 15 yrs on top of his sentence and any office holder will recive a 25 yrs on top of his sentence and if they are conviced of afray(brawl) the max will go from 1 yr max to 7 yrs not to menstion if they assault police.the frenzy is on,though how they are legally going to work out how who is a crim and who is just a normal bike rider has got me beat.belki joe must be rolling in his grave laughing wondering why he never did this in his time.if they were serious about a crack down the laws are already in place without hasseling legit bike riders .which is happening:banghead: hopefully this will be a media flash in the pan but the past shows it is never a good idea to let the qld police loose
 
I was just reading on another site they are proposing a law in Queensland to make it illegal to ride in a group of more than 3 bikes. Here's a petition to sign voicing your opposition. I'm not in Queensland, but I think everyone in the world is entitled to peaceful assembly.

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/premier-campbell-newman-and-attorney-general-and-minister-for-justice-jarrod-bleijie-refrain-from-enacting-any-legislation-that-discriminates-against-motorcyclists

this petition is also on the australian motorcycle council website so it should be legit :thumbsup:
 
An update on where this has gone, and some of the ridiculous things that have happened because the new law was implemented without any consultation with the law council or academics versed in legal constitution.

It turns out that under the new laws that were designed allow police to stop and question any group of 3 or more bikie's, allows police to stop any 3 or more people. Your mother and 2 of her friends could be walking down the street and now they to can be stopped and questioned. If one of them does or has done something illegal that can require a jail sentence then a mandatory 15 years is automatically added on to the sentence.

A judge had to look on the internet to try and find some clarification to the new Bikie laws when 2 members of a club was bought before him.
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/items-seized-from-alleged-clubhouse-after-two-granted-bail-in-cairns/story-fnjpusyw-1226742787368


Under the new laws you only have to have an association with any criminal biker, or even a non criminal biker, (less than 50% of bikers have a criminal record), along as they are deemed a biker. If by chance when at a public or private gathering and a family friend or relative or any friend or acquaintance introduces you to a bikie and you have a courteous conversation about the weather or footy or any other superficial subject you are now deemed to be an associate and liable for 6 months imprisonment and a possible grilling in front of the "Crime and Misconduct Commission" (CMC),

All Tradesmen/Tradeswomen have to be registered to do work above a set amount of work, ($3,300.00 here in Queensland, Materials included). Copy of the wording for an amendment to the Queensland Bikie laws.

"Anyone who has declared their membership to a proscribed club, through words or action, sought to have been a member, or attended one or more meetings or gatherings of people who are members or associates, is in danger of losing their electrical licence or not having it renewed."
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/electrician-bikies-to-lose-jobs-by-july-gang-members-or-not-20140109-30ko3.html
The idea is to stop criminal elements from having access to Private peoples houses so you cannot case the house or do a criminal act against the home owner.

This will have a follow on effect to all trades

How is that, if you are deemed to be an associate, (paragraph 4), you can loose your lively hood. Imagine having a couple of kids mortgage, and all those other things that are getting payed off, never had a criminal record or a speeding ticket, and now you are classed as to untrustworthy to have a trade and enter some one's home to do your job.

The worst part is that the onus is on you to prove that you are not associated with a criminal gang. Notice in the next link it states "Criminal Gang"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/attorneygeneral-jarrod-bleijie-says-police-will-decide-if-a-tradesman-is-no-longer-gang-member-and-can-keep-licence/story-fnii5v70-1226806886305

Does that mean a politician who cheats on expenses is part of a criminal gang and talking to any politician makes for an associate?????? lol

Now the cops want us to tell them when we go for a ride. Remember only 3 constitutes a gang
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bikers-asked-to-give-police-notice-of-rides-20131031-2wm1l.html
There is a situation where 1 biker, not bikie, has been stopped and questioned 21 times

In the latest our Premier, (head of Queensland Parliament who instigated these laws), is now talking about having the Bikie laws scraped in 2016.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20743678/bikie-laws-may-be-scrapped-by-2016-newman/
Going to have them reviewed, no doubt will repeal some of them under the prefix he has solved the problem bikie gangs and proved how great a politician he is and the election will be just around the corner

Another link to some information relating to the bikie laws and there affect by an independent advocate.
http://www.markmaldridge.com/BIKIE-LAWS-FAIL-2013-QLD.html

I bit long but this is important and shows how easy it is to have, not only our rights taken away from us, but can be imprisoned for being polite and taking to some one we were introduced to.
 
I took it as you meaning it wouldn't happen in the US

Comparing our erosion of rights with the NSA's erosion of your rights. Thought the constitution didn't allow spying on US citizens
 
I took it as you meaning it wouldn't happen in the US

Comparing our erosion of rights with the NSA's erosion of your rights. Thought the constitution didn't allow spying on US citizens

Googled it. Valid point. 9/11 changed everything here.
 
I feel bad for you guys in Australia. I was with the 173Rd Airborne Brigade in Vietnam and we had an Australian Medical Unit attached to us. As a medic I spent a bit of time with them enjoying some good Single Malt. They were a great bunch of guys and a few of them, I recall, were bikers looking forward to going home and riding. I had a Norton waiting for me.

Sure hope they come to their senses. Some of this stuff was proposed in the US, and fortunately we have the American Motorcyclist Association lobbying on our behalf in Washington.
 
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