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question about braided brake lines

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by bluesman650, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. 650Skull

    650Skull Dogonit Top Contributor

    5T does the link in post #7 answer your question........Shame he doesn't make them any more. Sites down as well
     
  2. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    Hello all,
    Well I ordered lines today from apex brakes. I ordered what I need to just replace the original rubber ones. 10mm banjo fitting on one end 10mmx1.0 female fitting on the other. I'll report back once I receive them.
    Thanks for everyone's input and help!
     
  3. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    So I received my braided lines today from apex brakes. I ordered on thur am and got them today. The female fittings will work with the stock brackets. For the upper hose I ordered fitting #1[banjo bold] and fitting #19 13" long. for the lower hose I got fitting #4 and #19 15" long. $20.00 ea. + shipping and 2 new banjo bolts and washers. Now it just needs to cool off a bit so I can get out there and work on it.
     
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  4. willis

    willis XS650 Junkie XS650.com Supporter

    Bluesman, can you follow up on this? I am wanting to replace my '75's front line and upgrade to stainless and am wondering how your parts turned out. Do you have any pics?
     
  5. JAX71224

    JAX71224 jax71224

    Somebody early in this thread mentioned Goodridge brand ,and I tried them with less than optimum result. The one I bought was red colored and turned out to be smaller inside diameter than original giving high effort to actuate the brake! Have since replaced with Russell "CYCLEFLEX" stainless braided hoses with clear vinyl or some kind of soft plasticy outer covering. They are on both my bikes now for front and rear as they are joined to the original front master cyl with a double banjo bolt! And before anybody gets the idea to copy this, remember that I am an amputee and do not have a right foot to operate a foot brake. This setup has allowed me to ride my 78 special and 83 1100 Interstate with more brakes than before when using front only for about 100k miles over the years. I wish I had done it sooner when riding a 75 cb750F that got a lot of miles and lots of smiles!
     
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  6. willis

    willis XS650 Junkie XS650.com Supporter

    Thanks. I am more interested in Bluesman's order from Apex though. The earlier bikes ran a 2 piece brake line with a junction in the middle to operate the brake light switch. While a 1 piece would be nice, I want to keep the '75 close to stock but upgrade in reliability. Apex offers their steel braided lines in black which would look more like original. Ideally I could also get the protective spring on it to to look more authentic.
     
  7. JAX71224

    JAX71224 jax71224

    OK That would probably look pretty close to original,I see your position there. Long as they are D.O.T. approved they should perform better than new. The Goodridge version I tried was not...............
     
  8. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi JAX,
    kudos on the linked brakes.
    Do you find the rear locks up before the front is full on or are the caliper piston areas such that both brakes work equally
    or does your system have a proportioning valve?
    BTW be properly humble if the cops pull you over, eh?
    I know it's daft but as your bike no longer has "two independent braking systems" it ain't quite legal.
     
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  9. JAX71224

    JAX71224 jax71224

    Nothing illegal here about those brakes. May well be the case up north but in Kentucky they just happy ya got brakes! Oh yeah, the XS does lock the rear a bit early but the 'Wing not so much, especially when the wife is aboard. Her "ballast" keeps the rear tire planted just fine even at freeway- speed hard braking. Where did that "two independent braking systems" thing come from? Just never heard mention of that before. And what about the other bikes with linked systems? There have been some, touring models, I believe that applied rear and one front by foot pedal and the other front only by the hand. But I guess that IS two independent systems.
     
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  10. mrtwowheel

    mrtwowheel Honda Etched On Brain Top Contributor

    Hell, do what you gotta do, sounds great to me.

    Fred's just that way ya know.

    Scott
     
  11. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi JAX,
    the actual phrase is from the British Highway Code.
    But as it costs more to build vehicles that way they wouldn't do it if there weren't laws about it.
    The front & rear on bikes are separate and as you say, even a big tourer's linked brakes have one independent front disk.
    A modern car's E-brake is a separate mechanical system. Even my friend's 1924 Wolseley which only had brakes on it's rear wheels
    had 2 independent braking systems. 4 shoes in each rear drum, 2 with the footbrake & 2 with the handbrake.
    FWIW my sidecar rig has 4 independent braking systems. 2 on the bike, a separate pedal for the sidecar brake which, as it's salvaged
    from a car, allowed me to install a mechanically operated handbrake.
     
  12. 650Skull

    650Skull Dogonit Top Contributor

    Com'on Fred.....stop being so obstinate..........Disabled people ride drive cars and bikes.......Vehicles can be modified to suit the person driving/riding it.......maybe you didn't read the post properly..... Never heard of a wheelchair bound person driving.........The brakes, clutch, and all necessary components are within hand reach.......just in case you make a comment about their vision being obscured when they have to bend down to push on the brake lol
     
  13. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi Skull,
    what, me obstinate? When all the time I was trying for helpful and informative fer fuxsake.
    And yes, I've seen videos of folks in wheelchairs operating sidecar rigs and admired their
    skills and the tech that lets them drive the rig from a platform using only hand controls.
    To spell it out for those who seek to find controversy where none exists there's two
    separate themes in my recent posts to this string and both of them are true.
    1) JAX has come up with an elegant fix to work his rear brake without using a foot pedal.
    2) That vehicle regulations in most jurisdictions require two independent braking systems.
     
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  14. Wilas89

    Wilas89 XS650 Member

    Hi,
    So I ordered new brake line from Hel (https://www.helperformance.com/yamaha-xs650-ii-1972)
    Unfortunately the fitting to the calliper is wrong. It’s a male M10 x 1.00 but doesn’t have the reverse taper to seal against. Is the little male taper inside the calliper removable or dose anyone know of any adapter? Hel don’t seem to sell the right fitting.
    Thanks
     
  15. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Take both parts to an auto parts store and they may be able to find an adapter for you. I'm assuming you've got the male end of an inverted flare on each part. A quick Google search doesn't turn up any adapters for that but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Other options would be to change the line end fitting or revert back to using the short steel brake line between the caliper and new line.

    I encountered this same issue many years ago when fitting a stainless line to a BMW /6. I took a drill and drilled into the line fitting end a little bit to create a bevel in it to seal against. Worked fine.
     
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  16. willis

    willis XS650 Junkie XS650.com Supporter

    It’s ironic that this thread came up today. I am planning on ordering replacement lines (braided) for my ‘75 tomorrow through Apex Brakes. I’m sticking with the 2 piece setup and will be running the stock steel lines. Apex quotes are about $15 each plus shipping. I stopped at a local brake specialty shop Friday and they quoted $37 each. Gonna give them a shot. Will keep this thread updated when they arrive.
     
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  17. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Give who a shot, Apex or the local guys?
     
  18. Wilas89

    Wilas89 XS650 Member

    5twins sadly no good auto stores near me. Will try a local hydraulic place but don’t think they will have anything that small. Think what I’m after is SAE flare metric to metric female. Might have to get the drill out.
     
  19. willis

    willis XS650 Junkie XS650.com Supporter

    Apex. They were less than half the cost and looks like quality products.
     
  20. cafetools

    cafetools XS650 Addict

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    What's the best length for a SS brake line 90cm or 100cm?
     

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