Sump Filter - Cover Removal

[SteveH]

All,
Im going through my new XS and need to remove the sump filter cover...But unfortunately it does not want to come off. Any suggestions here ? I surely don't want to start prying with a screw driver; as I imagine that'll be the end of it. I figure I can try a good rap with a soft-blo hammer - but I just don't know if there are any locating pins, etc that I might destroy.

Thanks !
Steve

 

[Royboy]

Bump it with the soft blow. (take the bolts out first, ha,ha). No locating pins.

 

[gggGary]

As suggested no pins, I often use wood block on the flat front and a good smack with a large hammer. On reassembly use a sparing amount of sealer on only one side of the gasket. I like to apply silicone by dipping a Q-tip and applying it to the surface of the cover. I also like to lightly and evenly flat file the mating surface of the cover to check for and remove any raised areas around the bolt holes.

 

[SteveH]

Thanks guys - that did the trick ! I took the cover off, removed the filter, and then carefully cleaned out the cover - looking for any particles, etc. Notta.
On the filter however - there are two areas on directly opposite sides of the filter (which I assume are passage ways) that have some hefty crap on them. Kinda looks like clutch material - but we'll see what happens when it dries out:

My new filter and gasket should be here on Thursday. i'll clean out the sump a little more and get it all bolted up.

Thanks again,
Steve

 

[5twins]

Those are magnets and that is normal ground up metal particles. It forms sort of a sludge although yours looks rather thick. The filter probably hasn't been cleaned in a while. Don't throw the old filter out, clean it up to re-use. If it has tears, repair them with JB Weld .....

I use no sealer on the plate gasket, I just oil it with motor oil.

 

[SteveH]

Ahh - nice ! I already ordered a new filter; but I will surely keep the old one around as a spare.

 

[gggGary]

+1 that amount of stuff looks OK/good to me. I don't even see any tears in the filter screen...... Someone has replaced it before. How many miles showing on the Odo?

 

[5twins]

Personally, I prefer the original filters over the replacements, even if they need a patch job. I think they're made better. And a little tip about mounting the filter - there is some play in the holes so slide the filter to the right (clutch side) as far as possible. This will make the filter/plate assembly easier to install and remove. Many times the filter element hangs up on the left side, on the sidestand mount.

 

[SteveH]

Will do.

The bike has 30k on the odo. Clearly a loved bike ! More info on my other post 'Quick Intro'.

http://www.xs650.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17645

 

[gggGary]

Side by side Yamaha vs mike's filters.
Note; I used metal from a lacquer thinner can to spot weld the cover over a new mike's filter.





The spaces of the mikes screen is obviously bigger than the OEM material and there is less of it.

 

[gggGary]

5Twins is right long term side stand use bends the mount/frame in til it interferes with the sump cover. While the sump cover is off I put a big oak plank under there and "persuade" the side stand mount back out once or twice with a 12 pounder, then the cover goes back on with no problems.

"to a boy with a hammer the world is a nail"

 

[5twins]

..... and for us guys, the world is our urinal, lol.

 

[SteveH]

Took some pics of the bottom end that I could get through the sump cover - doesn't look too bad fwiw:

 

[tonyc]

I see a couple chipped teeth on the first picture.

 

[SteveH]

Ya I see what you are saying. Nothing popped out at me when I was looking...I'll get a much better look tomorrow after I take the engine covers off and can rotate the engine easier.

 

[5twins]

I think that's the gear that the electric start engages into. The way many of these have the starter grinding problem, it's probably normal for that gear to look that way.

 

[SteveH]

Yep - that's the starter gear. I'll take a look at the bendex gearset when I pull the sidecover off. Might not be a bad idea to pick up the repair kit for the bendex.

 

[5twins]

9 times out of 10, you don't need the repair kit, just bend the drag clip on the #4 gear tight again. An explanation and instructions are here .....

http://en.650wiki.org/index.php/12.08._Electric_start_problem_fix

 

[SteveH]

nice - I'll report back what I find tomorrow...

 

[estcstm3]

Having a hard time getting my sump cover off, so you put a block along the front edge and hit into into it (from front to back of bike motion)?