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The USA is a big place!!!!

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by essexboydave, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. peanut

    peanut XS650 enthusiast & inveterate tinkerer XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    I know , I often think about the terrible hardships they must have endured. How many families were lost for the want of a horse or medicine or a wheel repair for a waggon.

    Its that innate spirit of adventure and the determination to succeed that has made us so great as a species .
     
  2. littlebill31

    littlebill31 Smells of Raw Fuel

    They moved at around 10-12 miles a day.
    And if you ever get to see the Rocky Mountains or the Great Plains or the Grand Canyon you will be in complete aw. You then realize how small you really are.

    I was in the Mojave desert doing survival training. The "Coyote", or range supervisor, pointed out a rock formation as we sat atop a ridge line. He asked how far we thought the formation was and how far it would take to get there on foot. We all said about a day. Actually, it would take 3 days of walking, about 15-20 hours a day, to get there. That's when I realized how easily people get lost and die.
     
  3. 1974jh5

    1974jh5 Curmudgeon.

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  4. GeorgeKillianLett

    GeorgeKillianLett Pretty new to bikes.

    What's funny is....as big as the U.S. is, when you watch our tv or movies, everybody is from Ohio! :shrug:
    You never notice till someone brings it up and then we pop up everywhere! As big as it is, it's a small world!
     
  5. essexboydave

    essexboydave XS650 Enthusiast

    We have warning signs saying "No fuel for 25 miles" and that's enough to get us worrying ;)
    I think the longest drive I regularly undertake is down to Cornwall for some surf, that's 350 miles but normally takes about 8 hours with the last 30 miles being tight twisty roads with blind corners and frequently only wide enough for 1 vehicle at a time-just what you want when you're tired!
     
  6. 1974jh5

    1974jh5 Curmudgeon.

    The scale of the West came home to me when driving on the Interstate through the Four Corners area, there is this rock formation called Shiprock.

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    We saw this thing at ~ 9AM, it was almost 2 PM before we passed it. Yeah, at ~70 MPH we were able to see it 5 hours, or roughly 300 miles, away. That really messed with this Eastern boy's head, I'm used to the 'horizon' being ~50 or so miles away.
     
  7. Quebec is roughly the size of the EU. Touring in europe is a laugh!
     
  8. uebe

    uebe XS Goober

    May I ask where you'll be going? Canada? US?
     
  9. Nope, Manatoulin Island in Lake Huron is the largest island in a fresh water lake in the world. Lake Superior is the largest body fresh water, looks like an ocean when you see it from the north shore .
     
  10. essexboydave

    essexboydave XS650 Enthusiast

    That looks awesome :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  11. retiredgentleman

    retiredgentleman XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Canada is the world’s second largest country. (Only Russia is bigger.)

    Canada’s total area is 9,984,670 km² (3,855,103 mi²).

    Freshwater lakes account for 891,163 km² (344,080 mi²) of Canada’s surface area.

    Canada’s total land area is 9,093,507 km² (3,511,023 mi²).

    The United States of America actually has a greater land area than Canada – the USA’s land area is 9,161,923 km² (3,537,438 mi²) – but the USA’s total area, at 9,826,630 km² (3,794,083 mi²), is slightly less than Canada’s.
     
  12. 1974jh5

    1974jh5 Curmudgeon.

    The US and Canada are both sizeable countries, but Siberia is freakin' HUGE. 5,100,000 square miles, mostly uninhabited. 30 million seems like a big number until you realize they are concentrated mostly in the southern part.
     
  13. Jack

    Jack XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

    What history would that be?,the native indians weren't civilized to any degree to document their heritage ,it was the Europeans who brought animals,varieties of food and weapons to the indians in teaching them to become more efficient in every day life, in hunting and to become better warriors in fighting battles amongst other tribes,etc. As for the 90 mil census of the 1400's,that no doubt would be the European population,as there simply wasn't any documentation recorded by the indians and when a census was conducted and documented by the 1500's, it's was by the Europeans and by that time half(speculation) of the american indians died from starvation, fighting and from disease's. Other than pure speculation,I don't think anyone to this day knows the true Indian population of that time period.
     
  14. XS1961

    XS1961 XS addict!

    I cant imagine living in such a huge country , so much to see..Ive lived in England for over 50 years, all my holidays are spent here sightseeing/touring and theres still places Ive yet to see & some I doubt Ill ever get to visit so theres no chance in this lifetime to see the countries on my 'wishlist' - the States,Canada Australia, central Europe....:(
     
  15. essexboydave

    essexboydave XS650 Enthusiast

    I can't really get my head round the size either, most of us here can drive anywhere within a day and even for me down in East Anglia it's only really the north of Scotland that would mean an overnight stop!
    The furthest I've been is down to the south of France on a Ducati and I thought France was a big country after I'd done that!
     
  16. littlebill31

    littlebill31 Smells of Raw Fuel

    I'm not trying to start another thread battle over who is right and who is wrong, but I'll have to, slightly, disagree with you on that one. Just because they did not right their history down in books, as Europeans did, does not mean they had no type of documentation.
    They used verbal history telling and certain bead work. Now, I do agree the census of Native Americans is unknown. But considering the number of tribes, there were quite a lot of people. However, they did not breed as we did or destroy their land.

    And the Native American was the one who taught us to fight better. The English warfare of the time was quite precise and ritualistic. Men would form a line abreast each other and were commanded by their officers. Absolutely no small unit leadership. Unlike the Native Americans, who introduced, quite to the English surprise, something called "Guerrilla Warfare". Fighting from behind trees, movement and cover, using small groups instead of 30 men online. Now a staple in many countries tactics. You way want to refer to the withdraw of British troops, under Lt Col Smith, from Concord, retreating back to Boston and a place called "The Bloody Curve". Perfect example of what the Native Americans taught us.

    Not to mention how to farm in more efficient ways, hunt wild game (which was not an active activity of the peasant English) and survival in this country. The UK had nothing in comparison to our forests at the time and most Europeans were not well versed in forest survival. Vast wilderness was very new to the settlers. As well as so many different types of flora and fauna.

    The British brought disease, religion and guns, yes.
    The Americas produced tobacco, potatoes and corn, to name a few.

    You way also want to read up on the 5 Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy and how they influenced our founding fathers and their government. The Iroquois league is said to go back to the 12th century.

    I hold a bachelors in Early American History from the University of Maryland. So I am not just saying this without backing and fact.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  17. littlebill31

    littlebill31 Smells of Raw Fuel

    I read a story once that said there are more roads withing all the state/national parks then regular thoroughfares.
     
  18. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    I have seen Siberia from the air and I've seen it more than once. It is extremely vast. There's nothing down there. It's tough to find a road, rail line, or anything at all. By contrast, the lower 48 states are nothing like that. There are vast wilderness, but even Wyoming has three people per square mile.
     
  19. ya watch tv and just about every show has someone from ohio ( man I love this state !!!):D
     
  20. Kingwj

    Kingwj I know nothing, nothing!

    Have you visited the car factory in Malvern? It's worth a trip.
     

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