I have a big Tupperware storage box that contains all my original parts . Everything is in separate storage bags and labeled. Haha
I don't get rid of anything! Sorry
I don't get rid of anything! Sorry
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My 60th birthday present
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- 1977 xs 650d chain and sprockets clutch pushrod seal cranckcase seal new front master cylinder pamco e-advance pamco ultimate high output ignition rebuild brake caliper rebuild brakes rebuilt carburetors replace clutch solid state rectifier stainless steel braid front brake line starter gear fix steering head bearings vr-115 regulator
Very nice job Mailman! But, I must admit that with so many PAMCOs on the road, why wasn't the rotor made to fit the stock pin? Similarly, why would it be suggested that the e-Advancer could fit inside the LH sidecover? There is virtually NO extra room inside that cover on a '76 bike with the stock airboxes. I suppose with pod filters there would be room. Anyhow, those types of things just seem they should be easy-peasy.... Anyhow - nice installation on that e-Advancer.
In my search for a convenient spot for a little metal box to hold spare fuses, I tried the sidecovers and as noted, they fit over the stock airboxes with really little or no room for anything extra. I must say, that was one really positive thing about the late 1970's Suzukis - they had a tidy little box built into the rear end of the seat which was perfect for holding stuff like fuses, sunglasses, the little syringe for adding air to the front forks (that along with the variable damping rear shocks were very cool features at the time) and a tire pressure gauge etc. Note in the photo of my '79 GS850G below. The seat hinged to the right, as I recall, and when it was opened, there was a little trap door into that box - very slick and extremely handy.
Anyhow, I need a day in the Disaster Central Workshop to inspect my cafe donor bike and Lucille and make a list of the needed parts and then I'll be placing an order for those bits and pieces, plus a full PAMCO with an e-Advancer for Lucille. THEN the farkling will begin!
On the matter of the cafe bike - I got the carbs back from Bruce, our local carb guru and so I hope to have it running soon and at that point, the '81 Special-to-Cafe thread will become active again.
Cheers,
Pete
In my search for a convenient spot for a little metal box to hold spare fuses, I tried the sidecovers and as noted, they fit over the stock airboxes with really little or no room for anything extra. I must say, that was one really positive thing about the late 1970's Suzukis - they had a tidy little box built into the rear end of the seat which was perfect for holding stuff like fuses, sunglasses, the little syringe for adding air to the front forks (that along with the variable damping rear shocks were very cool features at the time) and a tire pressure gauge etc. Note in the photo of my '79 GS850G below. The seat hinged to the right, as I recall, and when it was opened, there was a little trap door into that box - very slick and extremely handy.
Anyhow, I need a day in the Disaster Central Workshop to inspect my cafe donor bike and Lucille and make a list of the needed parts and then I'll be placing an order for those bits and pieces, plus a full PAMCO with an e-Advancer for Lucille. THEN the farkling will begin!
On the matter of the cafe bike - I got the carbs back from Bruce, our local carb guru and so I hope to have it running soon and at that point, the '81 Special-to-Cafe thread will become active again.
Cheers,
Pete
Yup - that is what is commonly called an SAE connector (Society of Automotive Engineers) and they're usually sold with a short wire pigtail to enable them to be wired into a vehicle. The advantages of this style of connector is that they are inexpensive, robust and reliable plus they can carry a good deal of current - BUT - one of the terminals is fully exposed (if you leave off the little cap that is normally supplied with them) and so you need to be cautious about how you wire it into a vehicle.
They are usually supplied with battery maintainers (aka trickle chargers - which are not quite the same thing - read on) as noted by WeekendRider above.
Here is a passage from the Wikipedia article on this style of connector:
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SAE connector[edit]
An SAE connector
The SAE connector is a hermaphrodite two-conductor DC connector commonly used for solar and automotive applications (also motorcycles). It is so named for the Society of Automotive Engineers who created its specifications.
This connector is typically used for applying a maintenance charge to a vehicle battery. The polarity of the connector, when installed in a vehicle and attached to a battery, is always such that no short circuit will occur if the exposed terminal were to touch the vehicle chassis. In most vehicles, this means that the exposed terminal connects to the negative terminal of the battery. Conversely, the positive terminal on a battery charger is exposed, to mate with the concealed one on the vehicle side. (On vehicles with a positive-ground frame, such as vintage British motorcycles, this is reversed.)
Although there is a risk of short-circuiting a battery charger, the risk is minimal and often mitigated by the circuitry of the battery charger itself. On the other hand, the short circuit current of the lead-acid batteries installed in vehicles is sufficiently great, that a short circuit could result in a fire or explosion. The priority is therefore given to avoiding short circuits of the vehicle battery, rather than of the charger.
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Thus, on the "bike" end of the SAE connector wiring - you should arrange to have the exposed metal pin of the SAE connector - wired to the NEGATIVE battery terminal so that if that pin touches the frame of the bike, you will not short out the battery.
BTW - if you do not presently have a battery maintainer on your bike - I recommend one. It will keep your battery topped up so that the bike is always ready to go and if you buy a "smart" unit (and not just a "dumb" trickle charger), it will help keep your battery healthy much longer.
I have one of these on all of my bikes and the Miata and I simply leave a little connector pigtail sticking out of a discrete location so that I can hook up whenever I pull into the Disaster Central Workshop. The Deltran maintainer is a good one - for less than $30 CDN at Walmart and it even comes with a convenient SAE connector pigtail ready to install on your vehicle battery - but they're widely available in lots of places.
Cheers,
Pete
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What he said. Haha I have them on both my bikes. Always good to go.
On the subject of available space for the Advance unit. I drove myself crazy trying to find a suitable location. I actually found a photo on this forum ( Retiredgentleman) who had mounted his on top of the airbox under the left side cover. But when I put mine there and then compared it with his photo, for some reason he had clearance and I did not. I don't know if there was a difference in our airboxes or what.
But I couldn't make it work and then to find a location that was neither over the engine or near the coils ( as per instructions) was pretty tough.
But I couldn't make it work and then to find a location that was neither over the engine or near the coils ( as per instructions) was pretty tough.
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I have never used a "battery maintainer" for my motorcycle during our 6 month riding season. My regular on board charging system always keeps my battery charged. Same thing for my car.
If your on board charging system can't keep the battery charged, you must not ride the vehicle very much, or your charging system is not fully charging your battery, or you have a battery that is failing.
MaxPete........................why does the Miata battery run down?
Yes, my E-advancer is still sitting on my air-box. Its a tight fit but it does fit on my 1978 Special.
If your on board charging system can't keep the battery charged, you must not ride the vehicle very much, or your charging system is not fully charging your battery, or you have a battery that is failing.
MaxPete........................why does the Miata battery run down?
Yes, my E-advancer is still sitting on my air-box. Its a tight fit but it does fit on my 1978 Special.
I travel on business a fair bit and find that the maintainer does just that - it maintains the battery during the periods when I don't use the vehicle.
I don't use the maintainers much in the summer as I either ride or drive the Miata just about every day. However, I leave them on the maintainers during the off-season when the batteries are out of the vehicles, sitting on a shelf in my basement. It prevents the typical run-down which lead-acid batteries seem to suffer.
Pete
I don't use the maintainers much in the summer as I either ride or drive the Miata just about every day. However, I leave them on the maintainers during the off-season when the batteries are out of the vehicles, sitting on a shelf in my basement. It prevents the typical run-down which lead-acid batteries seem to suffer.
Pete
Hi RG,
the Zen masters say that every question contains it's own answer.
I would suppose that Pete's Miata needs a battery maintainer because it shares his bikes' winter hibernation, eh?
correctomundo Frederick.
WE ARE CANADIAN - the world's leading experts in sh!tty weather and shortened riding/fun car seasons.
dammit
WE ARE CANADIAN - the world's leading experts in sh!tty weather and shortened riding/fun car seasons.
dammit
Ditto,
Arizona's extreme heat is especially hard on batteries. I have three vehicles that I go between and during the summer months I have extended periods of non use, much like your winters. A battery maintainer allows my batteries to last several seasons.
Arizona's extreme heat is especially hard on batteries. I have three vehicles that I go between and during the summer months I have extended periods of non use, much like your winters. A battery maintainer allows my batteries to last several seasons.
Yup - in the auto industry, we talk about batteries as being just like like Goldilocks, because they:
- don't like it too hot;
- don't like it too cold;
- don't like to sleep too much;
- don't like to sleep too little.
queenslegs
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Has anyone else experienced the pamco e-advance hub not fitting on stock pins? Seems awfully strange to me. And I was gonna buy me one of those for my birthday.
My comments were only referring to the 6 months riding season here in Canada. Yes of course, we all need to take the battery to the basement during the winter, and use a bench charger about once a month to keep the battery chemistry in good condition.
However during the 6 months of riding season, there is no need to recharge a battery as long as you drive the vehicle say once a month.
Mailman.....................yes I've heard that from other lads living down in the hot part of your country. That heat must really cook a battery. I find batteries here in Canada last roughly 7 to 9 years. Do the batteries in your car or truck also have a short life?
However during the 6 months of riding season, there is no need to recharge a battery as long as you drive the vehicle say once a month.
Mailman.....................yes I've heard that from other lads living down in the hot part of your country. That heat must really cook a battery. I find batteries here in Canada last roughly 7 to 9 years. Do the batteries in your car or truck also have a short life?
Short life, yes. I've had them fail in as little as one year. Any battery over three years old becomes suspect.
I have to say it was surprising to me as well. A machining fluke? Doubt it.
I had even thought that the pins had maybe creeped out if their holes and just got stuck there, so I removed them and cleaned them up and re installed them and tried tapping them lightly, but no difference.
The height of the pins fit the stock Advancer parts perfectly.
I saved all my stock parts btw , including the pin.
queenslegs and Mailman...........................When I installed the E-advancer back in 2013, I found the same thing.
The stock pins (total of 3) are 7 mm long. However, the aluminum E-advancer cap or hub, is machined such that it requires a pin that is 5 mm long. The kit from Mikesxs apparently comes with 3 pins that are 5 mm long. I had bought my E-advancer from Pamcopete himself, and there was no 5 mm pins included at that time. I used a Dremel tool to cut down one 7 mm pin to 5 mm. Very easy to do. If someone does not have a Dremel tool, they could use a small grinding stone in their portable drill.
So Mailman, did the shorter 5mm pins come with your purchase?
The stock pins (total of 3) are 7 mm long. However, the aluminum E-advancer cap or hub, is machined such that it requires a pin that is 5 mm long. The kit from Mikesxs apparently comes with 3 pins that are 5 mm long. I had bought my E-advancer from Pamcopete himself, and there was no 5 mm pins included at that time. I used a Dremel tool to cut down one 7 mm pin to 5 mm. Very easy to do. If someone does not have a Dremel tool, they could use a small grinding stone in their portable drill.
So Mailman, did the shorter 5mm pins come with your purchase?
No, I also bought directly from Pamco Pete.
Had I known that Mikes provided the pins, that is certainly the way I would've gone.
Had I known that Mikes provided the pins, that is certainly the way I would've gone.
When I bought mine, the E-advancer was a new product, so not unusual to have a few short comings in a new kit. I'm surprised that by now, Pamcopete does not include a 5 mm pin when he sells the E-advancer kit. In any event, its quite simple to shorten one pin.
queenslegs
XS650 Addict
Thanks RG, makes sense now. When the time comes I'll order from xsdirect and shorten the pins if required.
I'll bet the XSDirect kit is identical to the Mike's kit for the US folks QL - so I think we'll be OK here.
Pete
Pete
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