Any Tig welding machine Guru's around. How to rewire a water cooler

[CalsXS2]

My Buddy has a Miller Dynasty 200 Tig welder. The water cooler runs off of a separate source of 110v, and of course the welder is 220v.

He is wanting to make it all operate off of just one cord like the bigger models. He says they are all incorporated to a single plug.

He is thinking he can just pull 110 off of the 220 inside the unit. I said I don't think that will work. You'll be robbing power from the one side and may even damage the machine. But I know nothing about it to be honest.

So is there a way this can be done, besides buying a bigger machine. That's what I told him to do.

Do they possibly make some kind of conversion unit for just this purpose. I wonder if he could just get the parts from the bigger welder to work.

Any thoughts. Thanks.

 

[kopcicle]

done

~kop

 

[CalsXS2]

done

~kop

Well I truly appreciate the reply. But could you just explain it a little bit.

What's it called and where do you get it for how much.

I bet any welding shop might have that cause I bet my Buddy isn't the first one to want to do this.

What is it. Some kind of power inverter or something.

 

[fredintoon]

Hi Cal,
I looked it up:-
http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/AD4-8.pdf
After I recovered from the sticker shock ($3,999!!!!!!!) I read the brochure, seems it'll run on whatever voltage you want.

 

[CalsXS2]

Do you mean the welder will run on 110?

If so, I'm sure he has his reasons for running it on 220.

I want to know what that thing Kop postes is,,,lol.

Read the last sentence here. The note.

Dynasty
®
200 Power Sources
TIGRunner
®
Package (Water Cooled)
Complete Packages (Water Cooled)
6
Packages
Dynasty 200 DX TIGRunner
#907 099 021 (CSA)
Completely assembled.
Package includes:
Dynasty 200 DX (#907 099 011)
Coolmate
â„¢
1, 115 VAC (#300 360)
One gallon of pre-mixed, low-conductivity
coolant (#043 810)
2-Wheel Trolley Cart (#300 480) with
the following features: easy-to-maneuver
single-cylinder cart with cable and torch
holders. Easy to release and remove
welder from cart for even more portability.
Convenient tray for consumable storage
and filler rod holders.
Notes: TIG Torch Connector must be ordered
separately. See page 7 for recommended W-250
(WP-20) Torch Kit (#300 185).
The Coolmate 1 requires a separate source for
electricity. The Dynasty 200 does not contain
auxiliary power.
Dynasty
®
200 DX Contractor Kit Packages (Air Cooled)
Dynasty 200 DX with Contractor Kit
#951 174 (CSA)
w/Foot Control
#951 175 (CSA)
w/Fingertip Control
Packages include:
Dynasty 200 DX (#903 099 011)
RFCS-14 HD foot control (#194 744) or
RCCS-14 fingertip control (#043 688)
Weldcraft
®
A-150 (WP-17) 25-ft. (7.6 m)
TIG torch
200-amp Stick electrode holder with
15-ft. (4.6 m) #4 cable
Work clamp with 15-ft. (4.6 m) #4 cable
Flow gauge regulator with gas hose
AK2C accessory kit with short back cap,
nozzles, collets, collet bodies, and
2% ceriated tungsten electrodes
(.040, 1/16, and 3/32 in.)
One air-cooled TIG torch connector
(#195 378)
Protective carrying case for accessories
Dynasty 200 DX Complete
#951 397 (CSA)
w/Wireless Foot Control
#951 139 (CSA)
w/Foot Control
#951 140 (CSA)
w/Fingertip Control
Completely assembled.
Package includes:
Dynasty 200 DX (#907 099 011)
Coolmate
â„¢
1, 115 VAC (#300 360)
One gallon of pre-mixed, low-conductivity
coolant (#043 810)
Wireless Remote Foot Control (#300 429)
or RFCS-14 HD foot control (#194 744)
or RCCS-14 fingertip control (#043 688)
2-Wheel Trolley Cart (#300 480) with
the following features: easy-to-maneuver
single-cylinder cart with cable and torch
holders. Easy to release and remove
welder from cart for even more portability.
Convenient tray for consumable storage
and filler rod holders.
W-250 (WP-20) Torch Kit (#300 185).
See page 7 for more details.

Note: The Coolmate 1 requires a separate source for
electricity. The Dynasty 200 does not contain
auxiliary power

 

[weekendrider]

Hey Cal,
This might help with the mystic mystery mans post.
http://www.ecrater.com/p/9422439/22...r-thg-750?keywords=.ecrater.com/stores/155403

Or you could look at a variety of them on this link.
http://www.ecrater.com/filter.php?cid=0&keywords=.ecrater.com/stores/155403

Took a few minutes to track it down.
So how it happened.
Right click his image and click copy image URL.
Paste that to a new tab or browser page. Then start with cutting parts of the url out and see where it leads.
Doing that I found ecrater. Never heard of ecrater before. I'm not enlightened enough I guess. BUT I did find out that ecrater doesn't have the best of reputations if you can believe the complaints about it. Not here nor there I guess. You may purchase something from there and get along just fine.
Anywho now you can have a look see yoself. And talk about it with your buddy. It may or may not be something he wants to do.

 

[TwoManyXS1Bs]

...He is thinking he can just pull 110 off of the 220. I said I don't think that will work. You'll be robbing power from the one side and may even damage the machine...

As long as the neutral/ground line does nothing more than ground the welder case (not tied into a ground fault type circuit), and is at least 14-16 gauge, then yes, you can pull 110 out of the 220. It's just between the neutral and one of the 220 legs. The 220 device doesn't know 'sides', it just knows the 220 between the two power legs...

 

[fredintoon]

Do you mean the welder will run on 110?
If so, I'm sure he has his reasons for running it on 220.
I want to know what that thing Kop postes is,,,lol.
Read the last sentence here. The note.
Note: The Coolmate 1 requires a separate source for
electricity. The Dynasty 200 does not contain
auxiliary power

Hi Cal,
the welding machine brochure sez it'll run on anything between 115V & 440V.
The Coolmate is a separate device that needs 110V power.
It seems the welding machine don't have a 110V outlet.
Kop's mystery module is a 220V to 110V stepdown converter.
I'd say your buddy will be better off plugging the Coolmate into a normal outlet than by parasiting the welder's 220V via a converter.

 

[IronSpadeCycles]

Not to totally put a wrench in your spokes but my Miller DialArc HF 300 is currently running on 220v with a 110v plug in the front of the welder for the water pump for the cooler. Its prewired to switch on the cooler pump when the machine is powered up.

Not sure if yours has one as well but most do.

Hope that helped.

 

[CalsXS2]

Not to totally put a wrench in your spokes but my Miller DialArc HF 300 is currently running on 220v with a 110v plug in the front of the welder for the water pump for the cooler. Its prewired to switch on the cooler pump when the machine is powered up.

Not sure if yours has one as well but most do.

Hope that helped.

Ya it helped a lot. Because I never thought to look for a outlet on the machine.

 

[Metal Wizard Machine]

I don't think they come with a outlet on the power supply.

TIG welders are very sensitive and susceptible to issues if you try to start screwing with wiring other stuff off of them that wasn't out there by the factory...Not to mention it will cancel your warranty.

The hf start will also be affected.

What is he trying to gain by doing this mod?

 

[CalsXS2]

I don't think they come with a outlet on the power supply.

TIG welders are very sensitive and susceptible to issues if you try to start screwing with wiring other stuff off of them that wasn't out there by the factory...Not to mention it will cancel your warranty.

The hf start will also be affected.

What is he trying to gain by doing this mod?

He has a custom Hot Rod shop. He builds roll bars, sub frames and all that kind of stuff for drag cars. There's always 5 or 6 cars in there getting various stages of fabrication. I don't think I've seen one there that runs.

Anyway. He has to move the welder to the car he is working on at the time. The way the electric is laid out is no good. Has to have cords running all over with people tripping on them. The 220 is on one side, and the 110 is on the other. And the welder is usually in the middle. And he rents the building and the landlord won't let him run any new electrical.

I guess he just trying to tidy up a bit. Maybe it's a liability thing. I don't know. It's his deal.

 

[Metal Wizard Machine]

I think his best bet is to wire a piggyback to his weld cart and get an overhead spool to hang in the middle of the shop for the cooler.

Pulling power from a welder that wasn't designed that way will show instantly in arc quality.