Nylon screws

Yes, that appears to be a later type A regulator so yes, you will need the nylon screws. It's common for vendors to incorrectly list the years the parts fit because they most likely just go by the Yamaha parts diagrams - and those are wrong, lol. Many show the later charging system components, ignition parts, and carbs on the '78 and '79 models. If you know these bikes then you know these changes didn't happen until at least 1980.

Yes, run the ground wire for the reg/rec to the main frame somewhere. The battery box is not a suitable grounding point because it is rubber mounted.
 
Yes, that appears to be a later type A regulator so yes, you will need the nylon screws. It's common for vendors to incorrectly list the years the parts fit because they most likely just go by the Yamaha parts diagrams - and those are wrong, lol. Many show the later charging system components, ignition parts, and carbs on the '78 and '79 models. If you know these bikes then you know these changes didn't happen until at least 1980.

Yes, run the ground wire for the reg/rec to the main frame somewhere. The battery box is not a suitable grounding point because it is rubber mounted.
 
Bought 2 reg/recs from China.
One early , one late, the later model unit has arrived today and in my hands.
The other which was purchased same day same time almost still hasn't left China!!!
Go figure....
Anyway I'm about to hook it u same way as I've got the one that was on the bike hooked up...
If I do it they way there's a good chance it'll work.
I'll test it as far as I can first which is the diode check as to the rectifier side, if that's ok then I'll go ahead and hope the regulator side of it works too.
Wish me luck ...
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Hooked it up and still no charge......
It's only the 3 screws that need to be nylon,,?
LH lower stays metal?

All the brush metal arts are showing 12.28v with engine running....I thought one was ground.....???
This has really got me beat...

Nylon screws are in.
Green from regulator is going to green brush.
Brown from regulator is going to black from brush and I've wired switched power into it as well.
3 Whites are connected to 3 whites from stator.
Black from regulator is grounded to frame.
Red from regulator goes to Post battery via a 20A fuse...
Should be working hey!....?
 

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Yes, LH lower screw remains metal. It's for the outer brush and is isolated from the alternator housing by the brush block. Switched power should run to the brown going into the regulator and to the black wire connected to the inner brush. I don't think I'd connect the regulator brown to the inner brush.
 
Yes, LH lower screw remains metal. It's for the outer brush and is isolated from the alternator housing by the brush block. Switched power should run to the brown going into the regulator and to the black wire connected to the inner brush. I don't think I'd connect the regulator brown to the inner brush.
I'm confused, can anyone else verify this, I'm using the nylon screws and the post 80 type reg/rec....
 
I have still not seen pictures of the alternator or the connector out from that alternator
If you can plug in the modern Reg/Rect in one connector --it sends signals that you have a modern Alternator on the bike I am thinking there would be 2 otherwise

Jims post # 91

We or at least I dont know what you are plugging in to what :I know that some regulators can have flipped Wires and then it is over when connecting it
Mostly from the car types.
Said it before saying it again please be careful and Pictures gives us a better chance Avoid The Blue Smoke
Slip ring resistance ??? Is it measured ?
 
I have an early stator(70-79), and a late solid state reg/rec unit(for 80 up), and I'M USING NYLON SCREWS...
IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE and without multiple links to other places, How do I wire it up?
I had it like Jim said in the above posts ?..... (or how I interpreted what he said)
5twins tells me that is wrong...

I know the whites go to the whites
Green goes to the green brush
Red feeds from reg/rec back up to the battery via 20A fuse
I gather I need to connect switched power to the brown wire (Done that)

When Ive done all the above (which I have)..Where does that Brown wire that has switched power tapped into it go???
(I had it connected to the black wired brush)

And where does the black wire from reg/rec go to???
(I had it going to ground on the frame)

Hopefully Ill get a simple answer to my two questions.
not fry any more components
and have a bike that charges its battery
 
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Assuming you are right you have an Old type Alternator then you have Two Connectors on the Motorcycle

Matching that


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And Yours looks like that

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It is supposed to plug in like a lamp at the home there is no loose wires as far as I know

If there is some clever connections done sure it can work but it is impossible for me or others to say whereto a Brown wire should go if it is out of the connectors or so. logic.
 
Not Possible to answer

Assuming you are right you have an Old type Alternator then you have Two Connectors on the Motorcycle

Matching that


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And Yours looks like that

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It is supposed to plug in like a lamp at the home there is no loose wires as far as I know

If there is some clever connections done sure it can work but it is impossible for me or others to say whereto a Brown wire should go if it is out of the connectors or so. logic.

Not Possible to answer

Assuming you are right you have an Old type Alternator then you have Two Connectors on the Motorcycle

Matching that


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And Yours looks like that

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It is supposed to plug in like a lamp at the home there is no loose wires as far as I know

If there is some clever connections done sure it can work but it is impossible for me or others to say whereto a Brown wire should go if it is out of the connectors or so. logic.
.JAN can you please stop confusing things. Im asking Jim and 5twins and you keep jumping in confusing matters..
 
Switched power should run to the brown going into the regulator and to the black wire connected to the inner brush. I don't think I'd connect the regulator brown to the inner brush.
@5twins..this is how it was suggested to wire it up...youre saying this is wrong???

Quick rehash of the type A....

The brown wire is 12v from the ignition switch. It goes to two places:
It goes to the regulator so the regulator knows what the battery voltage is. If it's gonna regulate a charge, it needs to know what the battery's voltage is. The brown wire tells it.
It also goes to the brush. That supplies excitation voltage to the rotor.
So... the brown ties the key, regulator and rotor together. You can run two brown wires from the key to the reg and rotor... or just splice the 3 components together. Makes no nevermind which way you go... as long as you can read 12v at the brush, the reg and the key.... with the key ON.


Black is ground. The black from the regulator goes to the frame... call it earth, call it ground... hell, call it late for dinner. Makes no matter... connect it to the frame. This is the ONLY ground in a type A system. There are NO grounds at the brushes.

Red is the output of the rectifier. This goes straight to the battery (fused of course). This is the charging voltage.

Whites are the 3 AC outputs from the stator. They go to the rectifier.

Green goes from brush to regulator. This is the regulated ground the regulator supplies. We already have 12v at the rotor (brown from key), so when the regulator grounds the green wire, we energize the rotor... causing a charge.


A common troubleshooting method for the type A is to physically ground the green wire at the brush. That will complete the rotor circuit and energize it... generating max charge.

So... try that. Ground the green wire and tell us what happens?
 
Jim has explained it well. The way you explained your wiring sounded wrong to me at first ("Brown from regulator is going to black from brush ...") but that's OK as long as it also feeds into the regulator. You need switched power fed to two places (the regulator and the brush).

If it still doesn't charge, maybe something else is wrong? Have you tested the rotor? Measured between the slip rings and gotten the right reading (about 4 to 5 ohms)?
 
.JAN can you please stop confusing things. Im asking Jim and 5twins and you keep jumping in confusing matters..

No problem I have been doing this for 40 years. On this same Machine. Ridden every year . . I know these things
I can step Aside . Find something else to do.
Jim and 5T are competent.
 
Maybe a visual will help.
Factory points loom with seperate Regulator and rectifier

...............You are going from this ...................................................................................................to this ....................by using a combined Solid State (A type) Reg/Rect
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