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Trouble starting bike for the first time....
So heres the situation, for the last 8 or 9 months i've been slowly gathering parts to build my own xs650. I've gotten stuff from diffrent years, but all for the same bike. Well finally today was the day
where i finished all the wiring, and was eager to just see/hear the engine get started, not neccessarily ride it quite yet. BTW, this was the wiring diagram i used..........
http://www.xs650chopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/noid-chopperwiringdiagram.jpg
Anywho, I was short on time, and would be busy to the point that i wouldn't be able to work on the bike for the next 2 weeks. So i called up a buddy to get a extra hand, we quickly put the basics
of what we thought was needed to get the engine started. I kind of followed his lead because he had more experience with older bikes that i have. He wanted to try to kick start it without the battery,
just to see if it would do anything. I figure it wouldn't do any harm, so i put in some oil and gas and let him have at it......nothing really happened. Then the moment came to see if i did all the wiring
correctly. I hooked up the battery and crossed my fingers......
The first few tries we're nothing, but i'm guessing it was because i've never actually used a kick-start before, and that the engine has been sitting for the last 9 months untouched. On the third try it
started, or what i though was it starting......
We watched and listened for a few moments, until we knew forsure that somethings we're not right..... The first was a grinding noise, that came from the area where the sprocket turns the bike chain.
the next was a bit of smoke coming from what i believe is the ignition (the round port on the left side, closest to the top motor mounts), i had the cover off because of wiring. The third, was that
the actuall engine itself didn't seem to be running, just the gear box.......
We both tried to trouble shoot it, but with the limited time we had, and our small amount of older bike knowledge, we didn't get a chance to really figure out what was the cause of the problems.
After looking around, i did see that the carbs weren't actually hooked up.......Odd right? I should of caught that from the get go, but I assumed my buddy did it the right way from the start. It turns
out the carbs we're just sitting in their boots (tight and securely thankfully), and the two hoses that come out from them we're actually hooked up to nothing at all. The fuel line/hose that came from
the tank (i only have 1 petcock on mine, its a aftermarket) just went into one of the two open hoses that come out near the top of the motor, the other hose was tapped/plugged shut.
I made this discovery, but by this time i had to run. Now i'll have just one more oppertunity to work on the bike before i have to put all on hold for a few weeks; and i'm determined to get the engine going, PROPERLY!
I'm sure you guys have tons of experience, and someone like me who has zero could definetly use it. I've ridden my fair share of bikes, but have never built one from the ground up. Hopefully you guys can
point me in the right direction.
The main things that i'm wondering are.....
A) The carbs have two hoses, one on each, where are they supposed to hook up to?
B) The two hoses that come out from the top of the motor, are they ment for the tank fuel line?
C) The grinding noise that we heard, it came from around the sprocket area, we think its the gearbox but don't know if thats actually the right name/thing. What could that be? and what could
be causing it?
D) Smoke from the ignition points? when i looked at it it just looked like one of the fabric coverings for one of the wires was smoldering. I thought maybe this was a wiring issue, so i switched some
wires that i thought might be the problem. I wish i remembered the name, but its the one that is behind one of the top motor mounts, it has two wires, and i connected them to each side of the coils (Left/Right), i
thought maybe they we're backwards, so i switched them around. No change, no more smoke (though the smoke only happened once), but all the other problems presisted.
Lastly, how do i get this thing started right!
Sorry for the long post, but i figured it would be better to be detailed than to not be. Please, someone point me in the right direction!
So heres the situation, for the last 8 or 9 months i've been slowly gathering parts to build my own xs650. I've gotten stuff from diffrent years, but all for the same bike. Well finally today was the day
where i finished all the wiring, and was eager to just see/hear the engine get started, not neccessarily ride it quite yet. BTW, this was the wiring diagram i used..........
http://www.xs650chopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/noid-chopperwiringdiagram.jpg
Anywho, I was short on time, and would be busy to the point that i wouldn't be able to work on the bike for the next 2 weeks. So i called up a buddy to get a extra hand, we quickly put the basics
of what we thought was needed to get the engine started. I kind of followed his lead because he had more experience with older bikes that i have. He wanted to try to kick start it without the battery,
just to see if it would do anything. I figure it wouldn't do any harm, so i put in some oil and gas and let him have at it......nothing really happened. Then the moment came to see if i did all the wiring
correctly. I hooked up the battery and crossed my fingers......
The first few tries we're nothing, but i'm guessing it was because i've never actually used a kick-start before, and that the engine has been sitting for the last 9 months untouched. On the third try it
started, or what i though was it starting......
We watched and listened for a few moments, until we knew forsure that somethings we're not right..... The first was a grinding noise, that came from the area where the sprocket turns the bike chain.
the next was a bit of smoke coming from what i believe is the ignition (the round port on the left side, closest to the top motor mounts), i had the cover off because of wiring. The third, was that
the actuall engine itself didn't seem to be running, just the gear box.......
We both tried to trouble shoot it, but with the limited time we had, and our small amount of older bike knowledge, we didn't get a chance to really figure out what was the cause of the problems.
After looking around, i did see that the carbs weren't actually hooked up.......Odd right? I should of caught that from the get go, but I assumed my buddy did it the right way from the start. It turns
out the carbs we're just sitting in their boots (tight and securely thankfully), and the two hoses that come out from them we're actually hooked up to nothing at all. The fuel line/hose that came from
the tank (i only have 1 petcock on mine, its a aftermarket) just went into one of the two open hoses that come out near the top of the motor, the other hose was tapped/plugged shut.
I made this discovery, but by this time i had to run. Now i'll have just one more oppertunity to work on the bike before i have to put all on hold for a few weeks; and i'm determined to get the engine going, PROPERLY!
I'm sure you guys have tons of experience, and someone like me who has zero could definetly use it. I've ridden my fair share of bikes, but have never built one from the ground up. Hopefully you guys can
point me in the right direction.
The main things that i'm wondering are.....
A) The carbs have two hoses, one on each, where are they supposed to hook up to?
B) The two hoses that come out from the top of the motor, are they ment for the tank fuel line?
C) The grinding noise that we heard, it came from around the sprocket area, we think its the gearbox but don't know if thats actually the right name/thing. What could that be? and what could
be causing it?
D) Smoke from the ignition points? when i looked at it it just looked like one of the fabric coverings for one of the wires was smoldering. I thought maybe this was a wiring issue, so i switched some
wires that i thought might be the problem. I wish i remembered the name, but its the one that is behind one of the top motor mounts, it has two wires, and i connected them to each side of the coils (Left/Right), i
thought maybe they we're backwards, so i switched them around. No change, no more smoke (though the smoke only happened once), but all the other problems presisted.
Lastly, how do i get this thing started right!
Sorry for the long post, but i figured it would be better to be detailed than to not be. Please, someone point me in the right direction!