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What have you done to your XS today?

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by I am Carbon, Nov 24, 2013.

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  1. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Buckhorns on XV1000SE Top Contributor

    tzimmerm, if you go to https://shopyamaha.com then under Parts > Motorcycles (Road) > Cruiser you will find all the XS models by entering the Year and selecting the model. You will then see a drop down menu that allows you to see the microfiche e.g. Rear Wheel gives the part number for the axle.

    There is a similar setup on other parts websites e.g. for UK use www.fowlersparts.co.uk.

    Very useful for checking out part numbers for searching Ebay.
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2020
  2. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Thanks for checking! I finally stopped looking here and went to mikes and their rear axle is listed for all years. Maybe I was confused about there being different lengths. Went ahead and bought the 20.00 from ebay. Free delivery by friday.
     
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  3. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Buckhorns on XV1000SE Top Contributor

    I though there may have been a difference between spoked and alloy wheels for the H/SH bikes, but not so after checking.
     
  4. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    okay, this is really driving me nuts. What the hell could be going on here? My dustcap/spacer is sticking out too far on the sprocket side. I have tried driving the bearing in further, and have only managed to scratch Up the hole in the hub and damage the little blue rubber seal several times. The first picture is of the wheel last fall after I rebuilt it with the original bearings inside. Second pic is of the way it sits now. I put the little tophat spacer inside the bearing, with the “rim” of the hat facing inward. I did not measure the new bearings, but I think I eyeballed them side by side and they were the same size. There is a good 1/4 inch difference between the way it was and the way it is now! What the hell is going on? I fear I’m going to have to scrap these bearings and buy another set. I don’t know what else to do. 1DE8A63B-4294-4035-9488-BD914C2DD825.jpeg 3979A34F-1167-4292-BC05-402A714CD41A.jpeg
     
  5. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge, is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Yeah... either the bearings not properly seated or it's too wide... or a combination of the two.
     
  6. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Ok, well, drove them back out. I can’t see any difference between the new and old bearing. Must have just gotten stuck. Guess I‘ll try the freezer method next time. Just what I get for gloating about the front wheel being too easy. Now I have to wait until Friday for my SECOND new seat of bearings, AND my new axle. What’s another 50.00?
     
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  7. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

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  8. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

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  9. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    That’s the pic I knew I saw somewhere! Thanks for reposting it. I should have figured the difference was between the first few years and everything else. Looks like the one I bought from Ebay will work just fine. One thing thats still stumping me- even though it seems the bearing wasn’t fully seated, the spacer between the two bearings was tight between them. It almost seemed like the spacer was keeping the bearing from being fully seated by keeping the inner race from being able to go in any further. When I go to put them back in, I’ll start with the sprocket side. Can I safely use a heat gun to heat the hub for install?
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2020
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  10. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Ok, so I’ve been thinking all day about the issues with the rear wheel, and after reading this thread, I want to ask- do the rear wheel bearings both have to be seated all the way into the center of the hub? Is there a problem if they are sitting a bit further out? According to this post, when he drove the one side in, it pushed the bearing on the opposite side out just a bit. I keep thinking that’s what it seems like is going on with my rear wheel. I pressed the brake side (smaller) bearing in first, flipped the wheel over, then dropped in the spacer, then tried pressing in the larger sprocket side bearing with the tophat reducer already pressed in, and it felt like the inner races were tight against the spacer, and thats what was keeping the bearing from seating any deeper into the hub. This time around, if I reverse the process and start with the bigger bearing on the sprocket side, since the dust cover needs to be flush, and THEN drive the brake side bearing in, and it stops short of seating all the way, but theres still room for the seal, am I good? It occurred to me that my wheel bearings could have been that way the entire time; I wouldn't have any way to have known. Thats the only thing that makes sense, because the spacer was very tight between the two bearings last night before I finally gave up and drove them out. Btw, Thanks a million 5twins for the tip about the socket on the tophat. Wish I would have read that before the FIRST teardown.
     
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  11. lakeview

    lakeview XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    I needed a crappy real wheel for a mock up so grabbed it off my 75 from the shed. Although I hope to extensively refresh it, it has to go back on the rack again for a few months.
     
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  12. halfmile

    halfmile XS Builder XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    I haven`t looked at any motorcycle project since Nov 21st so today I installed new bearings and seals in the rear Pentagram Wheel. I spent the rest of the day making spacers and aligning the chain and brake caliper bracket. This Pentagram Wheel project is fast becoming a real pain in the ass!:shootme:
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  13. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    Pain in the ass now. When you get it done it will look cool.:rock:
     
  14. MrBultaco

    MrBultaco it ran before being parked Top Contributor

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    I have faith and great expectations for your build Phil....again:cheers:
     
  15. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    I’m happy to see you getting into another build, yours are always so interesting to follow, and those wheels? I think they are going to be real defining item that will make this bike unique! Carry on ! :thumbsup:
     
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  16. tzimmerm

    tzimmerm XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Hey, quick question in regards to my tapered neck bearings-I have been searching AGAIN for the last hour or so and can’t find a post I know I’ve read before- now that I’m having to redo the rear wheel bearings I’m paranoid about my steering stem bearing install. I was only able to re-install one of the two notched and dished nuts that thread onto the stem
    Above the dust cap due to the extra space that the tapered bearings and the new seals take up on the stem. I thought I read before install that that was okay- can someone please weigh in and confirm that this isn't a problem?
     
  17. My opinion, if it's snug, it's OK. You may want to check the play after 5K or so. Mine got slightly loose, probably due to break-in and settling. You want the tubes to be loose or off when you adjust the play. If they're in, give the tubes a spin after adjustment, then check again. Sorry for the lack of responses. It wasn't my turn to pay attention!
     
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  18. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge, is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    One nut sets the bearing tension and the other nut locks the first in place. They're both kinda important.
     
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  19. To answer your 2nd question, mine is a 72 and everything fit on. Are you sure that the races seated properly?
     
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  20. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    Dumb question. You did take out the old races? The tapered races are a little taller but not so much not to have room for second nut.
     
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