Thought you may not have found it as you said you couldn't find any info but had a manual.........................I guess you don't need me to point out any other info that is helpful
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Where the heck is the Oil Filter?!
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Thought you may not have found it as you said you couldn't find any info but had a manual.........................I guess you don't need me to point out any other info that is helpful
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Hi 650skull
That page is clear enough but incomplete! Where is the oil filter cover and where is the oil filter cover gasket? What is it called where can I buy it in europe that doesnt cost me $20 for p&p. What is its part number so i can search closer to home?
Clymer is good but it doesn't answer any of these questions and all the time I'm trawling the web and this site for answers, I'm not out riding.
IT IS EASY WHEN YOU ARE AN EXPERT TO COMPLETELY FORGET WHAT ONCE YOU DIDN'T KNOW
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Of course i do! Dont be huffy
Clymer does not give all the answers. It's like swimming in treacle. Clymer does not show the cover or its gasket. This would be the place to detail it, but they dont.
The only place I've found reference to the round lid gasket is in a pack that costs $35 and $30 fo p&p and I would have to pay duty on that too but it doesn't state that this really is the gasket I'm looking for nor does it give it's number so I could check elsewhere.
This is exactly where guys with your deep knowledge can come to the help of those of us newcomers who are at the very sharp end of a learning curve.
michaelpthompson posted a very useful link but it doesn't help me find the right cover gasket,even so, it is streets ahead of Clymer in the level of guidance it gives.
Page 10 Clymer refers to fig. 3 and 4 and mentions an O ring. What O ring? It is not shown and is not mentioned again! There seems to be two gaskets, one shaped a bit like the end of the filter and then the one I'm tracking, a simple round one with two holes for the cover screws and possibly an O ring.
Help! Please!
Don't take offence at newbies like me thrashing about in ignorance, give me a leg up.
Regards
Chris
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Thank you Dr. 650skull.
I have looked up and down the web and all the XS650 sites I could find, for a parts list, without success but you casually drop it in my lap and I'm grateful.
There is no mention there of an O ring so I guess Clymervis wrong eh? Had you noticed their call for an O ring?
Sorry to have offended you. I will never know as much as you. Most of us will never know as much as you!
I have looked up and down the web and all the XS650 sites I could find, for a parts list, without success but you casually drop it in my lap and I'm grateful.
There is no mention there of an O ring so I guess Clymervis wrong eh? Had you noticed their call for an O ring?
Sorry to have offended you. I will never know as much as you. Most of us will never know as much as you!
That o-ring was only used on the very early models, I think maybe only the first year on the XS-1. You won't see it pictured or listed on a parts diagram unless you look at a '73 or older one. Bookmark this site. It gives you easy access to the Yamaha parts diagrams going all the way back to 1963, and I find it quite easy to navigate around on .......
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/parts.html
Here's that '73 and older diagram showing the o-ring .....
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1973/TX650/CRANKCASE COVER (RIGHT)/parts.html
To find all the related oil change items (filters, gaskets, drain plug washers), you will have to look at two diagrams, the one above and the one for the oil pump .....
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1973/TX650/OIL PUMP/parts.html
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/parts.html
Here's that '73 and older diagram showing the o-ring .....
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1973/TX650/CRANKCASE COVER (RIGHT)/parts.html
To find all the related oil change items (filters, gaskets, drain plug washers), you will have to look at two diagrams, the one above and the one for the oil pump .....
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1973/TX650/OIL PUMP/parts.html
scabber
XS650 Guru
Welcome. I might add not to overtighten the sump plate bolts. They break off pretty easy.
Note of caution when using Boats.net........................... When you click on the part no's it brings up a list the part is used for on other Yamaha bikes or the different XS650 models....................I have found quite a few discrepancies relating to the cross referencing with other XS650 models, especially between the early, 70-73 and later models. Cross reference with any other source of parts manuals, (like the link i posted), or with http://www.biker.net/650parts_index.html
https://thexscafedotcom.wordpress.com/ is a great source of information that is easy to find Real lucky to have it as he closed it down, (due to a lack of interest any more), but has reopened on request but doesn't post or answer any more
https://thexscafedotcom.wordpress.com/ is a great source of information that is easy to find Real lucky to have it as he closed it down, (due to a lack of interest any more), but has reopened on request but doesn't post or answer any more
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Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Thanks 5twins, excellent.
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Thanks for that too scabber. I intend to use a torque spnner and I'll use new bolts too.
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
Hi 650skull, thanks for this. That earlier ref you gave me is very good and as my bike is 1981 perhaps I'll avoid major problems.
What do you think the probability is that the sump filter will be damaged? Is damage obvious?
If you do replace the sump plate bolts then ABSOLUTELY use a torque wrench any time you install them. Supposedly, the originals were a special "break-off" type bolt that would do just that if over-tightened before stripping the threads out in the case.
I have replaced mine with stainless bolts but I use a torque wrench EVERY time they are installed. Also, on old machines like this, I don't use the max when a torque range is given. For M6 bolts like these, that range is about 5 to 8 ft/lbs. I use 80 in/lbs (6 2/3 ft/lbs) on all this bike's M6 fasteners.
I have replaced mine with stainless bolts but I use a torque wrench EVERY time they are installed. Also, on old machines like this, I don't use the max when a torque range is given. For M6 bolts like these, that range is about 5 to 8 ft/lbs. I use 80 in/lbs (6 2/3 ft/lbs) on all this bike's M6 fasteners.
michaelpthompson
XS650 Addict
I may not be the only one who finds the manual descriptions inadequate.
michaelpthompson
XS650 Addict
I don't know if this helps, but here is the diagram from the Yamaha Parts Manual.
You can find the whole manual online at https://thexscafedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tx650a-and-xs650b-parts-lists.pdf
You can find the whole manual online at https://thexscafedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tx650a-and-xs650b-parts-lists.pdf
Crb999
Christopher Bruce*OSS 大名
That's very good thanks
Michaelo
650Mick
Excellent Michael, I think of the first time I've pulled down one or these engines and if I had the manual when putting back together, my life would have been easier. The drawings are fantastic in quality and part numbers / description......
Thanks for sharing....
Michaelo
650Mick
Such a good thread, (love the starter motor picture at the beginning, I am sure the "book of words and pictures" will help you out ITM) sorry for the hijack, there are some modifications to our bikes as the years went by, I just picked up on this as I was reading through the drawings and saw some pencil annotations in the drawings and parts list.
I also remember a thread talking about a two piece pushrod bending in the middle,
I also remember a thread talking about a two piece pushrod bending in the middle,
slister21
XS650 Enthusiast
Of course i do! Dont be huffy
Clymer does not give all the answers. It's like swimming in treacle. Clymer does not show the cover or its gasket. This would be the place to detail it, but they dont.
The only place I've found reference to the round lid gasket is in a pack that costs $35 and $30 fo p&p and I would have to pay duty on that too but it doesn't state that this really is the gasket I'm looking for nor does it give it's number so I could check elsewhere.
This is exactly where guys with your deep knowledge can come to the help of those of us newcomers who are at the very sharp end of a learning curve.
michaelpthompson posted a very useful link but it doesn't help me find the right cover gasket,even so, it is streets ahead of Clymer in the level of guidance it gives.
Page 10 Clymer refers to fig. 3 and 4 and mentions an O ring. What O ring? It is not shown and is not mentioned again! There seems to be two gaskets, one shaped a bit like the end of the filter and then the one I'm tracking, a simple round one with two holes for the cover screws and possibly an O ring.
Help! Please!
Don't take offence at newbies like me thrashing about in ignorance, give me a leg up.
Regards
Chris
Why not get a roll of gasket material put a thin film of oil on your part or the existing gasket and cut a new one. Problem solved and you saved yourself 60+ dollars
Michaelo
650Mick
Ok time to admit I've used a cornflakes box for gasket, box cutter, hole punch.....job done
