Do we care about the enviroment !!! ????

As the world becomes more western-ized the demand for meat and dairy goes up creating more deforestation and less trees is devastating to us oxygen breathing earthlings, including the wolf and bear.
 
Oil and gas

Our dependence on oil and gas is now a millstone around our collective necks. This is no more prevalent as now, with the war in Ukraine and its affect on world prices and this is without the affect on the environment and how the gloal pandemic also created oil prices to rise.

Is it a myth that Green/renewable energy will cost jobs??
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...us-economy-2035-could-create-25-million-green

The cost to our environment against the corporate need/greed {backed by our politicians} to stay afloat while destroying the environment around them
https://www.dianaswednesday.com/2020/10/oil-spills-and-leaks/
https://www.dianaswednesday.com/2016/12/oil-spills/

https://www.dianaswednesday.com/2014/11/canada-the-world-the-tar-sands-2013/

Some of the Human impact on the environment in pics
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...mans-on-the?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/09/the-alberta-tar-sands/100820/

Vimo video of the Tar sands project

Ancient Mayans and deforestation affect on carbon
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180820113055.htm
 
drgonzo said:
It's all part of world wide deforestation to support the beef industry. Eating animal products is unsustainable.
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Unfortunately it is also urban sprawl contributing to the deforestation of the Koalas habitat. Been going on for years and developers are supposed to leave corridors but conveniently some one cuts the trees down by mistake...........oops, ah well now the trees are down.........
 
I care ..
Look close Allison's on top of the bridge, el malpais. It was REAL dicey getting the van back here. 25 miles of rutted muddy roads had to turn around a few times. Next up: getting back out.
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I care ..
Look close Allison's on top of the bridge, el malpais. It was REAL dicey getting the van back here. 25 miles of rutted muddy roads had to turn around a few times. Next up: getting back out.
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Enjoy it while you can Big mining companies destroy beautiful wilderness places over here even if they are up to 46,000 year old cultural heritage sites.
Love the excuses........opps accident we will do better next time

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...destruction-of-46000-year-old-aboriginal-site
"the company “regrettably … thought we had a shared understanding with the PKKP about the future of the sites” and would conduct a review to learn “how did this go wrong from our point of view”.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-up-to-15000-years-old-to-expand-pilbara-mine
 
I recently saw Australia had one of the world's largest number of national parks. We've been to several US national parks and monuments and a variety of state parks this trip. Glad they are there.
 
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Lidar discoveries in the Amazon
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I listed to that.............mmmmm........a lot of the mysteries he is talking about have been explained. It has been known for a few years now the Brazilian rain forest has had human highways intersecting settlements. These highways, like most cultures around the world were used for trading between tribes and other cultural purposes.

Not a mystery when most cultures have been reading the stars and marking solaces by using structures. just because we, (In this day and age), cant explain or work out how something in the past was made doesn't mean the cultures or civilizations of the time didn't make or work around the problems they lived in.

It has only recently been discovered how roman concrete was made. Roman concrete has been use for at least 2,000 years building bridges and structures. Roman concrete does not suffer from erosion and doesn't cause pollution. That 2 was a mystery that helped to fuel conspiracy theories just because it couldn't be explained.

The dark earth in the amazon has been extensively studied and compositions are known. It has a lot to do with volumes of what was put into it to get the balance right that they don't know much about.

One mystery Hancock leaves hanging, is the time line of humans in the Amazon, he hints at something without saying anything about the in habitation by humans before 1,000 years ago. Says there is no way humans could inhabit the area through the spread of humans before 1,000 years ago and based some of his reasoning on the poor soils of the rain forest not being able to sustain a culture. The question is why couldn't they. Humans have colonized and survived in conditions from subzero conditions in the arctic living and building structures on Ice to survive to the out back of Australia where the temperatures reach 50 degrees C. Where there is no water they can find enough to survive.

Logic dictates the amazon wouldn't be a place where a culture could not learn to survive. And maybe they did struggle to to get enough food for the tribes to expand until they crated DE. once that was discovered and in use, with plenty of food, the Amazonian culture could expand and thrive

Background.
https://www.dailysciencejournal.com/graham-hancock/

Fact check the sourse of the Dailysciencejournal. It seems to have a high rating for their sources but get a graded mark because their funding source is not open for scrutiny.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/scitechdaily/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

Science direct; analysis of the soils
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213596016301453

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00248-015-0703-7
 

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I recently saw Australia had one of the world's largest number of national parks. We've been to several US national parks and monuments and a variety of state parks this trip. Glad they are there.
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A lot look like where you are/have been. Not as barren as the first pic you posted and a lot are covered in wood lots where it rains a lot in the wet season and then is dry for the rest od the year up to 9 months without any real rain, just a small shower or 2 if they are lucky. Once your over the dividing range things get hot, dry and dusty real quick. Still a lot on the eastern side of the range though. National parks are not completely protected, Getting more so these days but still in places farmers and miners are allowed in.

Only in the last 30 years or so that logging has been stopped in national parks. That was mostly select logging but even then the damage is still extensive. One poly was almost hung up on the table land here in the far north when he came up to address the public. Don't think he realized, how much 3rd or 4th generation loggers and mill owners, would get so upset when their lively hoods had been taken from them
 
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what is that exactly. A cave?
 
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what is that exactly. A cave?
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Yes more like long tunnels, formed by flowing lava leaving behind empty tubes. Some of these are 50' tall inside. Most of the ceilings have collapsed in the last 15,000 years. Surface in this area is all very rugged piles of lava. We really like to travel in the south west it's so different from Wisconsin's climate and economics too. Nights in the van were cold often about 20f. We took turns getting up to get the coffee going ...
We celebrated pie day in pie town, new mexico!
 

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