Advance bob weights and springs question?

Looks like you've got it squared away now. Since the advance backing plate is just raw steel, you'll want to keep it lubed for protection against rust. I just brush a light coating of motor oil on it. Not too much, just make it shine. Any excess will just be flung off by centrifugal force as the unit spins and make a mess inside the housing. The first time I service one of these and have the weights off, I'll lightly grease the pivot posts when putting the weights back on. After that, to keep things lubed, I'll apply a little foaming chain lube to the posts after a ride while the bike is hot (better penetration). I also put a few drops on the springs as well. You're looking to avoid this scenario, lol .....

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Looks like you've got it squared away now. Since the advance backing plate is just raw steel, you'll want to keep it lubed for protection against rust. I just brush a light coating of motor oil on it. Not too much, just make it shine. Any excess will just be flung off by centrifugal force as the unit spins and make a mess inside the housing. The first time I service one of these and have the weights off, I'll lightly grease the pivot posts when putting the weights back on. After that, to keep things lubed, I'll apply a little foaming chain lube to the posts after a ride while the bike is hot (better penetration). I also put a few drops on the springs as well. You're looking to avoid this scenario, lol .....

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Thanks. I assure you the auto advance on this bike is definitely not going to look like that one. Not on my watch anyway ;)
 
Progress :)

Unfortunately it was uneconomic to have the auto advance springs made locally. What a shame.

Anyhow, today the Chinesium springs that I ordered arrived. The picture is the stretched original and one of the new Chinesium ones. Obviously, I had to turn one end through 90 degrees to suit the auto advance mechanism. So - I fitted one new one and kept the apparently good original. I fitted two new E clips and I reckon it's good to go. Judge for yourself in the video (edit animated gif instead). The end of the new spring distorted a little when twisting it through 90 degrees. But if fits just fine. Subject to checking this with a timing light, I'm calling this a victory.

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OK, I've got some spring info for you. The total length appears to be just under 22mm. Length of just the spring coils is about 10mm, they have a diameter of about 5.6mm, and there are 10 of them. The wire diameter or thickness is .75 to .80mm and the hooks on the ends are bent out at 90° to one another. Turns out I also had some from MikesXS. The only difference appears to be the silver color, all the other measurements look to be the same, and they have the same number of coils ......

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And the part number shown on the package in the first pic is the correct one for the spring. It wasn't easy to find that. Of all the manuals I've downloaded, only one showed it. Most just shown the advance unit, or "Governor" as they call it, as an "assembly".
Hi 5T, did you ever compare the spring coefficients between the stock and Mike's springs?
 
No, I never compared the "spring coefficients" but there have been quite a few reports (like Skull's) that the MikesXS springs are too weak. Even though they appear to match the originals, apparently they're not made of the same wire. I never tried mine, probably never will, lol, because I've managed to score a couple sets of N.O.S. originals off eBay.
 
I have edited the original post after improving my measurement process by measuring the entire length of the spring and not just the body.



For reference, here is the measurement of the spring constant of the governor springs. I purchased two springs, separately, on eBay. I am assuming these are OEM, as they were advertised as such and one was pictured next to OEM packaging. I also compared them to the springs I had in the bike (“old springs”) from a kit installed 15 years ago.



In the photo, the new (“OEM”) springs are black, and the old ones are silver in appearance. The dimensions are very similar
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“OEM” new springOld spring
Outside diameter (mm)5.85.8
Free length (inside the hooks) (mm)20.719.9
Wire diameter (mm)0.80.78
Body length (mm)109.7
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I suspended each spring by one end and hung different weights from the other end, measuring the length of the spring, taking care that the measurement is taken without compressing the spring itself.

I also bent the wire supporting the weight in a wide loop such that the caliper fits under the spring without interference with the wire.

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The measurement shows that the old springs are 10-20% weaker than the freshly purchased ones. There are also differences between the two freshly purchased springs, which lead me to think that at least one of them is not true OEM as the difference in the spring constant is too great for it to be a variation in manufacturing.

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One observation for anyone who is looking for non-OEM replacement is that the springs have zero initial tension. The zero tension is evidenced in the photo of the springs showing that the coils are separated and is supported by the measurements where the load lines go through zero. In my initial search for stiffer springs, most of the options have some initial tension and that needs to be factored into the desired timing curve.
 

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I have edited the original post after improving my measurement process by measuring the entire length of the spring and not just the body. This method gets around uncertainties in measuring the length of the spring body and capturing the flex in the end loops. I benchmarked the approach against an extension spring with a known spring constant that I purchased from leespring.com. The re-measured properties of the advancer springs are not too different from previous, in part because the springs have zero initial tension, but the new measurements clearly show that the old springs are 10-20% weaker and there are differences in stiffness between the replacement springs, which I purchased from different sources.


Benchmarking the Measurement Method:

To validate the improved measurement process, a spring with a known spring constant was used for benchmarking. The measured spring rate closely matched the specification listed on the manufacturer’s datasheet, confirming the accuracy of the approach. However, the initial tension value obtained from these measurements did not align with the specified value.

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