Build Thread...Special to Cafe Bike

I have one of those geared motors, have no idea where it came from. That motor kind of looks like the feed motor on my surface planer.

Scott

Hi Scott: I'm not sure where he got it but Len owns a machine shop and a firm that makes electro-mechanical systems for the very very large greenhouse industry which is located in SW Ontario. He is a gifted machinist, welder and mechanical designer - and everything he does is done to perfection. All that, and he is a Turley nice person.

Pete
 
Truly - not "Turley" - fer cryin' in a bucket.

Danged iPads, iPhones.....iWhatever-the-he!!! gizmo they come out with next.
 
WD-40:
The company insists that it contains no kerosene. I can at least say that I have significant empirical evidence that it protects metal for many years. I have a bare metal frame, for example, that was coated 10 years ago and has shown no sign of rust in my basement that sometimes is quite damp.
 
WD-40:
The company insists that it contains no kerosene. I can at least say that I have significant empirical evidence that it protects metal for many years. I have a bare metal frame, for example, that was coated 10 years ago and has shown no sign of rust in my basement that sometimes is quite damp.

I've recently acquired some of the new-fangled "WD-40 Specialist long-term corrosion inhibitor". Cleaned-up some vintage engine parts, hosed them down with this stuff, and stuffed them into sealed packaging, to be fussed with later. Hope it works.

https://www.wd40specialist.com/products/corrosion-inhibitor/
 
Well,my plan is that the tank will be painted and on the bike fairly soon - which means that it will be full of fuel.

....fingers crossed....

Thanks for the info!

Pete
 
Have you sourced a painter in your area yet? I have found them to be hard to find where I live. Lots of automotive painters but most of them don't want to mess with motorcycles and the painters who specialize in motorcycles all seem to be airbrush artists that want to cover your bike with skulls and naked women ( not that there's anything wrong with that). I found a couple painters willing to do it but the prices I was quoted made me catch my breath. I wish you better luck.
 
Hey Maxpete, Congrats on the start of your build...I stepped away from the forum for a bit as I've been obsessed with my next build, and it looks like you're moving right along. LOVE IT!

That tumbler is brilliant, wish I had thought of that!

As to WD-40, I've not had any issues with using it to keep rust out of things. Water Displacement is in the name...lol, but I haven't also had to keep things on the shelf for years at a time, so perhaps over a longer period of time it may wear off? But a simple recoat wouldn't be all that hard. Just my .02

Looking forward to seeing it come together!
 
WD-40......bad rep, I think this started with gun owners. Firearms are basically raw metal, especially shotguns and rifles. WD-40 vs grandma's sewing machine oil or 3in1 oil, WD - 40 will dry on firearms and rust over time. WD-40 has been cursed for this by generations.

Scott
 
Years ago I read in bike magazines to use WD40 for lubing and protecting various parts on your bike. When I got a dirt bike, I tried it on the folding footpegs. It freed them up and made them work easy but a few days later they were all rusty. Obviously the stuff left little to no protection behind. Maybe they have re-formulated it since but I'm not going to be the one to test it, lol. Go ahead, you try it and let me know.

Do I have WD40 around and use it? Sure, just not on anything I want lubricated. It's still an excellent cleaner and of course, water dispersal agent for wet plug wires and distributor caps. I guess I'm old school. When I want something oiled, I put oil on it, lol. Or better yet, grease. If I can get grease into something I'm trying to lube, that's what I'll do. I have quite an assortment of different end fittings for my grease guns. One of my favorites is a needle tip, like the pin used to blow up basketballs and footballs. You can get grease into some tight spots with that.
 
Thanks all - and as for finding a painter - I am leaning towards trying it myself on this one. Frankly, we're still putting Daughter #3 through school and the thought of a googlabucks paint job on an older motorcycle tanks and tins just won't make it past the Budget Committee. Perhaps I need to revise my strategy for Budget Committee consideration....

Besides, there is quite of lot of material on the Forum which suggests that doing a DIY paint job does not necessarily have a to result in a mess (although I doubt that naked women would pass the Committee either...

Cheers,

Pete
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Hey Maxpete, Congrats on the start of your build...I stepped away from the forum for a bit as I've been obsessed with my next build, and it looks like you're moving right along. LOVE IT!

That tumbler is brilliant, wish I had thought of that!

As to WD-40, I've not had any issues with using it to keep rust out of things. Water Displacement is in the name...lol, but I haven't also had to keep things on the shelf for years at a time, so perhaps over a longer period of time it may wear off? But a simple recoat wouldn't be all that hard. Just my .02

Looking forward to seeing it come together!

Hey there Brassneck - you're the guy who started this thing rolling around in my little 1-HP brain. How is that beautiful black and gold machine working these days?

Pete
 
Hi Pete, you were talking about maybe doing the paint yourself. I had thought of that also. On another forum that I am a member of there is a guy who collects and restores vintage 70's era two stroke triples and he does all his own painting with custom blended two stage spray cans. And the results are phenomenal. Here is one of his projects

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Here is a company I was looking into for supplying pre mixed paint.

http://www.yamahamotorcyclepaint.com/aerosol-kits.html

If you decide to do this be sure to get yourself a quality 3 stage respirator, these fumes are not good for you.
 
Holy cow. The paint on those parts is....absolutely beautiful. Does he have a thread I could read?

Thanks for that photo - awesome MM.

Pete
 
Hey there Brassneck - you're the guy who started this thing rolling around in my little 1-HP brain. How is that beautiful black and gold machine working these days?

Pete
Thanks... glad to help inspire. Bike is doing great...although I don't get to ride it with all the rain/snow/cold we've been getting...but spring will be here soon enough...and I have a TON to do on my track bike until then...so all is well. . :)
 
Here you go, he starts talking about the paint on page two, post #18

http://www.stromtrooper.com/other-motorcycles/187026-another-two-stroke-2.html

PS I was just looking at that website I sent you for custom mixed paint and noticed that they do not ship outside the lower 48 states, but surely there are similar companies in Canada.

Thanks so much for that info Mailman - and it's OK, as I have a US shipping address (I can literally see GM HQ in Detroit MI, from my office window) - so the border thing is not a barrier to me.

I will look into it!

Thanks... glad to help inspire. Bike is doing great...although I don't get to ride it with all the rain/snow/cold we've been getting...but spring will be here soon enough...and I have a TON to do on my track bike until then...so all is well. . :)

BRASSNECK & LARKSNOSTRIL: PM sent re: travel to Seattle WA.

Pete
 
Good morning all!

WER: Thanks for the help on posting pics & vids - please leave them up till I have a chance to read and try them out.

peanut: As for the other cafe build thread - I think the one your referring to is Brassneck's bike. He has done this job - and his bike is just what I am aiming for.

TimeMachine: thanks so much for that kind offer - I'll keep everyone posted on what the project needs as we go along!

ZeroXS650: The XS750 fuel tank mounting requires a bit of metal working but it appears to not be too big a deal and lots of folks have done it. I have compiled several good notes on this topic and will post them when the time comes. NOTE: I am going to try to leave the stock 650 tank mounting "ears" on the frame - from a quick look at where the tank ears are situated, this looks to be possible.

The issues of the tank cap and petcocks are complex to explain but simple to solve:

FILLER CAP: I found that the fuel filler cap from my red '76 XS650C fuel tank also fits the grey 750 tank I bought from the salvage yard (I've been told that it is a '76 or a '77) and so I have simply bought one of those filler caps from XSDirect: p/n 20-0033 for about $33 CDN. Its Chinese, but looks nice, fits fine and it even came with two keys.

PETCOCKS:The vacuum petcocks that were stock on the 750 can be replaced by NON-vacuum units for an XS650 - BUT the '76 XS650C petcocks DO NOT FIT. The big difference is the spacing of the petcock mounting screw holes: the 750 tank requires 46mm - which matches the spacing on XSDirect / MikesXS part number 20-0019 (check this listing on the Mikes site). These parts are intended to convert the leaky '79-'84 vacuum petcocks on XS650 Specials to non-vacuum operation - and so I bought two of those (p/n 20-0019 for around $50 each) and indeed, they do fit the 750 tank. A benefit is that all the heartburn associated with vacuum petcocks will be gone!

As I pointed out in another thread some time back - manufacturers tend to use simple and generic parts like seals, fasteners, electrical switches, reg-rec units, petcocks and filler caps across their entire line of cars, bikes, chainsaws, outboard motors, toasters, or whatever, to cut costs and simplify supply lines. That's why parts listing application lists are such powerful tools in restoring older equipment. Believe it or not - there are parts on 2017 Yamahas in showrooms today that are identical to parts used on our 40 year old XS650s, right down to the part numbers. Finding this info can be a challenge - but it makes finding the parts themselves waaaaayyyy easier.

Anyhow - today is cafe seat day, so wish me luck! The issue I'm having on the seat is that the '81 Special frame uses a lift-off type seat mounting arrangement rather than the earlier hinge type. The lift-off style has two slotted brackets on the frame, back near the rear loop. Those brackets are a wee bit wider than the rest of the top rail of the frame and the cafe seat needs to accommodate this width, but most cafe seats are a little too narrow. Anyhow, today, we'll see how the local chap's seats measure up. He said he will let me bring them home to trial fit them on my donor bike (nice guy).

Cheers,

Pete
You are correct that an XS750 tank can be installed without removing the "ears" - I left them on my bike. To keep the 750 tank from easily rocking sideways, the two locating dampers for the front end of the 750 tank need to be reinforced internally before bolting them onto the chassis. There probably are different ways to accomplish this - there's some pics of what I used in my photo album. I will be following your build with great interest.
 
Pete, You and I are on the same path. I am (slowly) turning my 79 Special into something of a café bike. I like riding it so much I hate to take it off the raod to fit the 750 tank!
I have the same rearsets I believe, and can tell you they work pretty well. The only issues I would be mention the leverage on the rear brake could be improved and the buzziness increases by a factor of 10. But once you get use to it, it is not that bad.
A very good point about the considerable leverage that's lost when converting from stock rear brake arm to a rear set or mid-set. I hadn't thought about that before I installed mid-sets on mine awhile back, but after doing so, it is glaringly apparent. Eventually, I re-converted to stock foot controls, a move driven more by needing clearance for a different exhaust system than concern about lost rear brake performance, but I'm glad now that I have it back.
 
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