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oil filter

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by inxs, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Interesting ...... on their web page, they say "sonic" cleaning service available. I never gave it much thought before, but might a little sonic cleaner be the hot set-up for cleaning our stock filters? I've always just lightly brushed them clean with solvent but this might be a better way. Also, it dawned on me that I'm not getting the inside of my filters real clean. A sonic cleaner may do that.
     
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  2. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

    :doh:

    Excellent, never thought of that.
    Next time, I'll just plop mine in the ultrasonic cleaner...
     
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  3. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Yes, someone with a sonic cleaner should try this. I don't have one but thought of getting one. This might be the excuse I need, lol.
     
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  4. Signal

    Signal XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

    2M do run solvent in your ultrasonic (us) cleaner. If so what type?
    I ask because I thought it would be good for oily parts but the instructions with my one say do not use solvents.
    As an aside the one I use is heated but the temperature always overshoots the set temp and continues to climb. It is probably due in part to hysteresis but also I think to the us energy used.
    I can imagine all sorts of fun with a low flashpoint solvent.
     
  5. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

    Last edited: Apr 6, 2018
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  6. Signal

    Signal XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

    Thanks for the reply 2M I have tried diluted simple green and was not that impressed with it. I will try it neat next time.
    Listening to that video reminded me of those star wars sword fights.
     
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  7. gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Signal; Do not use any solvent in an ultra sonic cleaner the fire/explosion risk is way too high.
    PS it doesn't do much either :rolleyes:. US depends on vibrating the water molecules, I'm guessing petroleum molecules just don't get excited by it.
     
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  8. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty What should I put here? XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Yamaha carburetor cleaner is water based. Why not use that?
     
  9. Signal

    Signal XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

    Gary, yes agreed.I never have used solvent in the us cleaner and never will.
    Jetmech I will do some research on the Yamaha carb cleaner when I need to do some cleaning next.
     
  10. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

    Just another little thread refresh.
    Decided to do a comparison of the screen mesh used on the OEM XS side filters versus a recent MikesXS 15-6501 (256-13441-00) side filter, manufactured by Fuji (Japan).
    SideFilter1.jpg SideFilter2.jpg

    The Fuji filter uses a stainless steel screen, fully pleated all the way around.
    SideFilter3.jpg

    OEM side filter screen:
    Screen wire size = 0.004", on a 0.010" grid matrix
    This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.006" (150 Microns)

    Fuji side filter screen:
    Screen wire size = 0.002", on a 0.0047" grid matrix (much finer)
    This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.0027" (70 Microns)

    SideFilter4.jpg
     
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  11. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Thats very interesting.
    That’s quite a difference. I’m just curious how did you obtain that data? Not the sort of information they would print on the side of the box.
     
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  12. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

    10x magnifier, caliper, fine needles, and a lotta squinting.

    If you Google the 256-13441-00 part number, and scroll thru the images, you'll see the various offerings. Many are the coarser mesh. This stainless steel 70 micron filter looks promising. Surprised that it isn't accompanied with some marketing excitement. It's been out for a while now, curious how it holds up with the super-fine wire screen...
     
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  13. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    I used this recipe.........X,s whatever for your sonic cleaner size............Vinegar and Washing soda, (bycarb) are a main ingredient so should act as a solvent, with some heat.....???

    1.5 ltr water - 1Cup boiled, (200mil),
    300ml of vinegar
    60ml Dish-washing liquid
    25ml eucalyptus oil
    3 desert spoons of Washing soda.

    Maybe degreaser instead of dish-washing liquid........

    If anyone wants to try it.

    If i get my arse into gear i may do this in a few days time...........Bit busy for the next couple, and be outa town
     
  14. hotdog

    hotdog XS650 Guru

    Having made a second one of these starter position filter units I have made a video to show the filter unit and how it works...

     
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  15. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    How coarse are you going with the course mesh and are you putting that on the outside
    I have found a source for the 150 mesh
     
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  16. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty, Demi & Gretel: I ask, THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    That is a very nice set-up HotDog - do you sell them and if so, how much do you ask?

    Pete
     
  17. gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    I decided I didn't need the coarse mesh, so far that has proven true. Just using the 150 SS mesh held on with JB weld ORIGINAL FORMULA. Pulled the filter at 2nd oil change on madness, M-L 4,000 miles it looked like new.
     
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  18. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Thanks Gary! I'll give it a try I can source the screen easily and have enough to do a few repairs I just need to get an extra bottom plate so at oil change the swap out goes quick
    JB weld is good stuff
     
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  19. GaryS-NJ

    GaryS-NJ XS650 Member

    I haven't yet read all 14 pages of this and I just got my first xs650 late last year so the oil filtering is still foreign to me, but my experience is never put anything in a motor that can break free. we have always been very cautious with silicone sealant on gaskets for fear of squeeze out dislodging and clogging an oil oriface. And of course I've used my share of JB weld but hesitant to using it on the sump filter..
    My 7000 mile one owner '79 SF does have a tear in the sump filter screen so what is the latest/best that folks are buying?? and I'll get to the heyden mod later on so I plan to just clean the side filter,,,
     
  20. GaryS-NJ

    GaryS-NJ XS650 Member

    OK, I just looked and could not find the Fuji sump filter and only found one on amazon from china delivered for $37 and one from mikesXS for $37 plus shipping.. I think they are the same Chinese filter and theres mention of the perforated metal on the inside but does this filter still need a hand made baffle shield to keep from tearing? and is there another source for a better filter that I missed?
    And the side moon filter I found OEM on ebay and one on mikes XS without any mention of the fuji fine screen element so I'm inclined to wash my moon filter. thoughts??
     

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