Just out of curiosity - Airplane Guys

A kinder, gentler time for crash landings?

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Tiger Moth T6047 after it crashed on the roof of a blister hanger while on approach at RAF Hockley Heath in May 1945.
The pilot PO S Barber was unhurt.
 
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The 747 has been around most of my life. Developed while I was in primary school, began airline service when I was at secondary. Decades as the long-haul main stay. Captured the public imagination due to it's size, plus the spiral staircase to the upper deck. Now I think mostly cargo? But if the last one has just been delivered - and don't it look new - I guess they'll be around and flying as long as there's aviation fuel.
 
Raymond said:
The 747 has been around most of my life. Developed while I was in primary school, began airline service when I was at secondary. Decades as the long-haul main stay. Captured the public imagination due to it's size, plus the spiral staircase to the upper deck. Now I think mostly cargo? But if the last one has just been delivered - and don't it look new - I guess they'll be around and flying as long as there's aviation fuel.
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There may still be some flying 30 years from now. FedEx only just retired the MD10 (DC10).
 
gggGary said:
What could go worng with ancient pressurized airframes?
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Older convertibles are usually premium priced.............
Heated seats a good idea, it gets cold up there.
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Not a thing! We have inspections for this kind of thing now. There have been many changes in maintenance programs since that incident.
 
gggGary said:
All industry everywhere,
Motto: we got you covered, nothing can go wrong,
Umm, til the next new thing bites us in the ass....
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The airlines have all moved onto this new thing called MSG3. You can Google it if you are extremely curious. Overall, it's very complex.
 
jetmechmarty said:
The airlines have all moved onto this new thing called MSG3. You can Google it if you are extremely curious. Overall, it's very complex.
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Took a very quick & superficial look to see what kind of animal MSG3 is. Relieved to find it has nowt to do with monosodium glutamate. Aims to provide a framework for development of maintenance schedules. But conveniently (?) seems to be aimed at preventing unnecessary maintenance or carrying out tasks more often than required. Selected highlights
  • No improvement will be achieved in reliability by excessive maintenance
  • Needless tasks can also introduce human error
  • Few complex items exhibit wear out (general failure is random)
  • Maintenance may not be needed if failure cheaper (providing safety is not compromised)
All sounds very re-assuring. Only the seriously sceptical - not me - would say it sounds like cutting maintenance to the effective minimum to save costs.
 
Raymond said:
Took a very quick & superficial look to see what kind of animal MSG3 is. Relieved to find it has nowt to do with monosodium glutamate. Aims to provide a framework for development of maintenance schedules. But conveniently (?) seems to be aimed at preventing unnecessary maintenance or carrying out tasks more often than required. Selected highlights
  • No improvement will be achieved in reliability by excessive maintenance
  • Needless tasks can also introduce human error
  • Few complex items exhibit wear out (general failure is random)
  • Maintenance may not be needed if failure cheaper (providing safety is not compromised)
All sounds very re-assuring. Only the seriously sceptical - not me - would say it sounds like cutting maintenance to the effective minimum to save costs.
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In a nutshell, your takeaway is correct. It isn't about cutting maintenance. All interested parties are involved in MSG3. They include the operators, the manufacturers, and the regulatory agencies. Acceptable risk is determined by all these parties coming together. It's far better than anything we had in the past. I am currently involved in the process.
 
gggGary said:
All industry everywhere,
Motto: we got you covered, nothing can go wrong,
Umm, til the next new thing bites us in the ass....
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Yes Sir
And when it goes Wrong they just disappear stop answering Or file for bankruptcy
fex The computerization of Banking and Payment of bills. People don't having computers - never taking a course
Never asked for it. Bank Gets hacked .. The Bank are then lying Straight into the face or more correctly the e -mail
inbox.
Putting the blame on the Customer .. Lax authorities No bank office to visit No computer skills.

Bank Robber .used to be a man with a handgun and a mask .Now it is someone inside the bank. Or again inside the bank Computer.
To be fair flying seems to have authorities and enforcement with "Cojones " But that lacks in virtually all other sectors.
Was a court case last week against a Lady Bank manager about money Laundry allegedly for Russian Oligarchs Acquitted
But all affairs those days was corrupt the state did not exist. So why acquitted.
Send her to the Ukrainian front.
 
2 uses for wood scaffolding.... First is to measure radar reflectivity... stealthiness.
Second is to test and harden against lightning.
Was involved in the lightning testing of the F-16 out at Edwards AFB back in the 70's. We'd power up all the avionics then go around it zapping with a tesla ball that was powered by a capacitor bank the size of a 18 wheeler. We'd beat the hell out of it and see what failed. Engineers would come up with a fix and we'd apply it... then rinse and repeat. Fun times. :sneaky:
 

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