Trust me Raymond, it would pass as brand new in a BMW showroom.
Apart from the exhaust headers are slightly discloured.
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BMW R1200GS The Great Adventure
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Apart from the exhaust headers are slightly discloured.
Got mine in 2010, I’m second owner - the bike had just passed 1000 mile mark when I got it and was like new. I paid $7000 for it including bags and top box with inner bags too, had a lot of added parts on it too - my guess is that the original owner spend in the range of $25K , and never really used it. I got it in the greater Houston area - a city full of money so I guess he didn’t mind the loss. Anyway I love that bike on and off road - served me well and still does. My XS’s are mostly for fun and to keep me engaged in something I like to do ( rebuild and repair). My downfall is that I get attached to all that iron - have a hard time selling a bike I have worked on :-( however just managed to split with a nice ‘78 XSE in original condition. Need to split with one or two more
to make room
Looking back over the piccies of my GS I think front fender extender and frame plugs will be the order of the day.
What a beauty, great color too!
First Proper Ride On Cream Puff!
Keep in mind I had never put a leg over a GS, let alone ride one, before purchase.
When I collected the bike from the previous owner I only had a very short ride up and down his street to check things were working OK.
Overall I was happy.
Today I went to the shop really early to get a proper first test ride before starting work.
First thing I did was to lower the seat to its bottom setting. I'm 6'2'' with a 32'' inseam trouser leg; and on the higher setting I was on Tippy Toes. On the lower setting I can almost be flat footed either side. Its not a bike for the vertically challenged.
The bike does feel really top heavy after the XS650 (Or Bandit 1200). Its a simple process to move the seat, with a two position bar that locks into the key mechanism.
Key on and the ABS brake warning light came on; it's supposed to go off when you get above about 3 mph.
On this occasion the red triangular warning light it stayed on, and the ABS light continued to flash. This didn't happen on my short purchase ride. Oh no I feared the dreaded ABS failure which is common on these bikes. The bike continued to ride well and brakes worked fine so I carried on. (More on this in another post).
Initial Impressions:
The Weight:
Its a heavy bike; a bit top heavy when you first get it off the main stand. As soon as you move off however the weight just disappears. The steering is positive in feel and incredibly agile for such a big machine. The bike happily falls into corners with confidence for the rider. It really belies it size and feels like a 600 on the move.
The Riding Position:
For me I feel totally at ease; the upright body position and wide set bars feel so natural. Arms are comfortable and without any wrist pressure. The seat is relatively soft yet somehow supportive; allowing me to feel exactly what the chassis is doing underneath my bum.
All controls fall naturally to hand, wether foot or hand operated. Even BMW's odd left for left / right for right turn signal switches became second nature after 5 minutes. (To be fair My XS650 has Revival USA Momentary switches set up in the same manner). Legs were comfortable with a slight bend at the knee. This is an all day bike without doubt. There is plenty of room to move around on the individual seats of both rider and passenger.
The Engine & Gearbox:
The Boxer engine does vibrate a little; with character in my opinion. Nothing like the XS650 which is far more agricultural.
It rocks to one side slightly with some revs in neutral. You know there are big pistons moving down there. From practically zero revs it has plenty of grunt (torque) to pull away. I'm sure it will easily convey Mrs C, full luggage and myself for many a mile without stressing the motor. It has real low down thrust and dispatches city and 'A' road traffic with ease.
Top end power is not lacking by any means, however there is a dip in the power and torque curve as you wind out the throttle.
You can feel it on the road but its nothing major. Probably to do with achieving acceptable sound and emission levels.
This can be seen in the dyno reading below:
Ignore the Akrapovic lines my bike is bog stock.
The gearbox was a real surprise. I expected a clunky action but none of it. Its feels solid yes, but reassuringly so. Changes were quick and deliberate, and I didn't have any false neutrals or missed gears. I was only wearing leather trainers, rather than heavier biking boots; so I felt this as a positive thing. Ratios seem to be perfectly placed; and quick but smooth progress was easily achieved.
The Chassis:
Apparently BMW build a bike around the engine, and It certainly seems that way. Everything is literally hung off the engine, which is the main structure. The front end is planted to the road, and you get great feel through the bars. The 'Telelever' fork system just works; tracking true without deflection, even over badly pot holed surfaces, better than any bike I have ridden before on real roads (And I have owned some exotica). The Paralever shaft drive back end follows smoothly and surely without drama. Its all very informative from the cockpit, but seems 'plush' as you ride along. This bike communicates wonderfully with you as you ride. OK it does not handle like my old Honda VTR SP1 which was basically a World Superbike on the road; but it will hustle without complaint if you want it too. Brakes: For this type of bike they are nothing short of astounding. One finger action is all that is required. The servo / ABS actuation is so powerful, yet completely controllable; I like it!
My bike has been well cared for during 18 years by its 2 previous owners. They (the bikes not the PO's) usually rust at every bolt and screw head; especially around the front engine cover; which bubbles up and looks unsightly. My machine looks like a showroom new bike; I hope I can keep it looking like that.
The Negatives:
It was an expensive bike new back in 2005; I could not afford one for sure. They are far more affordable now and there are plenty to choose from at all price points. BMW Parts are very expensive! Even from Motorworks UK a simple speed sensor for the rear drive housing is £160.00 plus £1.60 for the 'O' ring. So maintenance may be a bit spendy; especially by BMW main dealers. My bike is in such condition however I may keep up the BMW servicing. Truth is you dont (shouldn't) by a BMW and expect to pay Jialing money to keep it going!
Verdict:
Its a polarizing bike the BMW, much like Harley Davidson, some bikers love 'em others disdain them (even though they have never ridden either brand). What you cannot ignore however is the absolute efficiency of the machine; and how it just works. I am totally taken by the GS1200 and it's already a 'Keeper' in my stable; Just like my Welsh Flat Tracker (Called 'Taffy' now by the way). If you are considering one, and can get on one, dont hesitate; Its a great machine.
This bike is too nice to be called 'Cream Puff' but I'm yet to officially name it; maybe Bratwurst!?
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Keep in mind I had never put a leg over a GS, let alone ride one, before purchase.
When I collected the bike from the previous owner I only had a very short ride up and down his street to check things were working OK.
Overall I was happy.
Today I went to the shop really early to get a proper first test ride before starting work.
First thing I did was to lower the seat to its bottom setting. I'm 6'2'' with a 32'' inseam trouser leg; and on the higher setting I was on Tippy Toes. On the lower setting I can almost be flat footed either side. Its not a bike for the vertically challenged.
The bike does feel really top heavy after the XS650 (Or Bandit 1200). Its a simple process to move the seat, with a two position bar that locks into the key mechanism.
Key on and the ABS brake warning light came on; it's supposed to go off when you get above about 3 mph.
On this occasion the red triangular warning light it stayed on, and the ABS light continued to flash. This didn't happen on my short purchase ride. Oh no I feared the dreaded ABS failure which is common on these bikes. The bike continued to ride well and brakes worked fine so I carried on. (More on this in another post).
Initial Impressions:
The Weight:
Its a heavy bike; a bit top heavy when you first get it off the main stand. As soon as you move off however the weight just disappears. The steering is positive in feel and incredibly agile for such a big machine. The bike happily falls into corners with confidence for the rider. It really belies it size and feels like a 600 on the move.
The Riding Position:
For me I feel totally at ease; the upright body position and wide set bars feel so natural. Arms are comfortable and without any wrist pressure. The seat is relatively soft yet somehow supportive; allowing me to feel exactly what the chassis is doing underneath my bum.
All controls fall naturally to hand, wether foot or hand operated. Even BMW's odd left for left / right for right turn signal switches became second nature after 5 minutes. (To be fair My XS650 has Revival USA Momentary switches set up in the same manner). Legs were comfortable with a slight bend at the knee. This is an all day bike without doubt. There is plenty of room to move around on the individual seats of both rider and passenger.
The Engine & Gearbox:
The Boxer engine does vibrate a little; with character in my opinion. Nothing like the XS650 which is far more agricultural.
It rocks to one side slightly with some revs in neutral. You know there are big pistons moving down there. From practically zero revs it has plenty of grunt (torque) to pull away. I'm sure it will easily convey Mrs C, full luggage and myself for many a mile without stressing the motor. It has real low down thrust and dispatches city and 'A' road traffic with ease.
Top end power is not lacking by any means, however there is a dip in the power and torque curve as you wind out the throttle.
You can feel it on the road but its nothing major. Probably to do with achieving acceptable sound and emission levels.
This can be seen in the dyno reading below:
Ignore the Akrapovic lines my bike is bog stock.
The gearbox was a real surprise. I expected a clunky action but none of it. Its feels solid yes, but reassuringly so. Changes were quick and deliberate, and I didn't have any false neutrals or missed gears. I was only wearing leather trainers, rather than heavier biking boots; so I felt this as a positive thing. Ratios seem to be perfectly placed; and quick but smooth progress was easily achieved.
The Chassis:
Apparently BMW build a bike around the engine, and It certainly seems that way. Everything is literally hung off the engine, which is the main structure. The front end is planted to the road, and you get great feel through the bars. The 'Telelever' fork system just works; tracking true without deflection, even over badly pot holed surfaces, better than any bike I have ridden before on real roads (And I have owned some exotica). The Paralever shaft drive back end follows smoothly and surely without drama. Its all very informative from the cockpit, but seems 'plush' as you ride along. This bike communicates wonderfully with you as you ride. OK it does not handle like my old Honda VTR SP1 which was basically a World Superbike on the road; but it will hustle without complaint if you want it too. Brakes: For this type of bike they are nothing short of astounding. One finger action is all that is required. The servo / ABS actuation is so powerful, yet completely controllable; I like it!
My bike has been well cared for during 18 years by its 2 previous owners. They (the bikes not the PO's) usually rust at every bolt and screw head; especially around the front engine cover; which bubbles up and looks unsightly. My machine looks like a showroom new bike; I hope I can keep it looking like that.
The Negatives:
It was an expensive bike new back in 2005; I could not afford one for sure. They are far more affordable now and there are plenty to choose from at all price points. BMW Parts are very expensive! Even from Motorworks UK a simple speed sensor for the rear drive housing is £160.00 plus £1.60 for the 'O' ring. So maintenance may be a bit spendy; especially by BMW main dealers. My bike is in such condition however I may keep up the BMW servicing. Truth is you dont (shouldn't) by a BMW and expect to pay Jialing money to keep it going!
Verdict:
Its a polarizing bike the BMW, much like Harley Davidson, some bikers love 'em others disdain them (even though they have never ridden either brand). What you cannot ignore however is the absolute efficiency of the machine; and how it just works. I am totally taken by the GS1200 and it's already a 'Keeper' in my stable; Just like my Welsh Flat Tracker (Called 'Taffy' now by the way). If you are considering one, and can get on one, dont hesitate; Its a great machine.
This bike is too nice to be called 'Cream Puff' but I'm yet to officially name it; maybe Bratwurst!?
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Agree with Adamc, the Bimmers are fairly expensive to maintain, however with the exception of a few things i do it all myself, they are easy to work on, what i stay away from is the electronic ignition and what relates to the fuel injection. I have rode all kinds of Harley's, British bikes and a few Jap's, when i got my first BMW (2002), a brand new R1150R, i was sold, unfortunately i lost it in a fire, then came along my 2005 1200GS - oh what a sweet ride. If i have to point at anything I don't like it's the "ugly" front
safe rides out there
safe rides out there
First Proper Ride On Cream Puff!
View attachment 247829
Keep in mind I had never put a leg over a GS, let alone ride one, before purchase.
When I collected the bike from the previous owner I only had a very short ride up and down his street to check things were working OK.
Overall I was happy.
Today I went to the shop really early to get a proper first test ride before starting work.
First thing I did was to lower the seat to its bottom setting. I'm 6'2'' with a 32'' inseam trouser leg; and on the higher setting I was on Tippy Toes. On the lower setting I can almost be flat footed either side. Its not a bike for the vertically challenged.
The bike does feel really top heavy after the XS650 (Or Bandit 1200). Its a simple process to move seat, with a two position bar that locks into the key mechanism.
Key on and the ABS brake warning light came on; its supposed to go off when you get above about 3 mph.
On this occasion the red triangular warning light it stayed on, and the ABS light continued to flash. This didn't happen on my short purchase ride. Oh no I feared the dreaded ABS failure which is common on these bikes. The bike continued to ride well and brakes worked fine so I carried on. (More on this in another post).
Initial Impressions:
The Weight:
Its a heavy bike; a bit top heavy when you first get it off the main stand. As soon as you move off however the weight just disappears. The steering is positive in feel and incredibly agile for such a big machine. The bike happily falls into corners with confidence for the rider. It really belies it size and feels like a 600 on the move.
The Riding Position:
For me I feel totally at ease; the upright body position and wide set bars feel so natural. Arms are comfortable and without any wrist pressure. The seat is relatively soft yet somehow supportive; allowing me to feel exactly what the chassis is doing underneath my bum.
All controls fall naturally to hand, weather foot or hand operated. Even BMW's odd left for left / right for right turn signal switches became second nature after 5 minutes. (To be fair My XS650 has Revival USA Momentary switches set up in the same manner). Legs were comfortable with a slight bend at the knee. This is an all day bike without doubt. There is plenty of room to move around on the individual seats of both rider and passenger.
The Engine & Gearbox:
The Boxer engine does vibrate a little; with character in my opinion. Nothing like the XS650 which is far more agricultural.
It rocks to one side slightly with some revs in neutral. You know there are big pistons moving down there. From practically zero revs it has plenty of grunt (torque) to pull away. I'm sure it will easily convey Mrs C, full luggage and myself for many a mile without stressing the motor. It has real low down thrust and dispatches city and 'A' road traffic with ease.
Top end power is not lacking by any means, however there is a dip in the power and torque curve as you wind out the throttle.
You can feel it on the road but its nothing major. Probably to do with achieving acceptable sound and emission levels.
This can be seen in the dyno reading below:
View attachment 247826
Ignore the Akrapovic lines my bike is bog stock.
The gearbox was a real surprise. I expected a clunky action but none of it. Its feels solid yes, but reassuringly so. Changes were quick and deliberate, and I didn't have any false neutrals or missed gears. I was only wearing leather trainers, rather than heavier biking boots; so I felt this as a positive thing. Ratios seem to be perfectly placed; and quick but smooth progress was easily achieved.
The Chassis:
Apparently BMW build a bike around the engine, and It certainly seems that way. Everything is literally hung off the engine, which is the main structure. The front end is planted to the road, and you get great feel through the bars. The 'Telelever' fork system just works; tracking true without deflection, even over badly pot holed surfaces, better than any bike I have ridden before on real roads (And I have owned some exotica). The Paralever shaft drive back end follows smoothly and surely without drama. Its all very informative from the cockpit, but seems 'plush' as you ride along. This bike communicates wonderfully with you as you ride. OK it does not handle like my old Honda VTR SP1 which was basically a World Superbike on the road; but it will hustle without complaint if you want it too. Brakes: For this type of bike they are nothing short of astounding. One finger action is all that is required. The servo / ABS actuation is so powerful, yet completely controllable; I like it!
My bike has been well cared for during 18 years by its 2 previous owners. They (the bikes not the PO's) usually rust at every bolt and screw head; especially around the front engine cover; which bubbles up and looks unsightly. My machine looks like a showroom new bike; I hope I can keep it looking like that.
The Negatives:
It was an expensive bike new back in 2005; I could not afford one for sure. They are far more affordable now and there are plenty to choose from at all price points. BMW Parts are very expensive! Even from Motorworks UK a simple speed sensor for the rear drive housing is £160.00 plus £1.60 for the 'O' ring. So maintenance may be a bit spendy; especially by BMW main dealers. My bike is in such condition however I may keep up the BMW servicing. Truth is you dont (shouldn't) by a BMW and expect to pay Jialing money to keep it going!
Verdict:
Its a polarizing bike the BMW, much like Harley Davidson, some bikers love 'em others disdain them (even though they have never ridden either brand). What you cannot ignore however is the absolute efficiency of the machine; and how it just works. I am totally taken by the GS1200 and it's already a 'Keeper' in my stable; Just like my Welsh Flat Tracker (Called 'Taffy' now by the way). If you are considering one, and can get on one, dont hesitate; Its a great machine.
View attachment 247828
This bike is too nice to be called 'Cream Puff' but I'm yet to officially name it; maybe Bratwurst!?
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That was a great write up Adam! You should write for a motorcycle magazine!
Your bike sure is a beauty. I have never had the opportunity to ride one but I have ridden a couple other really tall adventure bikes and it really is amazing how as soon as you are rolling they feel so well mannered, and that height just disappears. I had a ‘77 BMW R100/7 and I can tell you that even those old bikes are expensive to get parts for. For the most part the only option was genuine BMW parts and you paid through the nose for them. On the upside, they are super dependable and don’t need all that much work, they just plug away like an old tractor.
Congratulations on your beautiful new Beemer!
Following the ride to Hay on Wye on The Brat (GS1200):
https://www.xs650.com/threads/just-ride.54772/page-167 #3,336
I had a couple of wobbly stops at junctions.
Although I put the seat in the 'low' position, the bike rides tall. Even though I'm 6'2'' my inside leg is only 32''.
I can get the balls of my feet firmly down on the road; but if the road is cambered it sometimes feels a little precarious.
More so when Mrs.C is moving on the pillion.
I decided to fit some SW-Motech engine bars to help out in a low speed or stopped fall.
Seemed a simple enough job with all the parts and fittings required supplied in the kit (Although very poor instructions).
Left hand side went on fairly easy once I tried a test fit.
Moved to the right hand side and my troubles began.
The top mount has a captive nut welded to the frame spar to take the 5mm Allen head fitting and spacer.
The thread on mine was filled with a sheared screw, by some PO. Try as I might it would not budge.
Simply drill it out.... this screw must be made of Cryptonite; A gallon of WD40 and 4 drill bits later and it moved.
Note: Didn't have any left hand drill bits; must get some.
A few taps with a hammer and punch and the nut came away with the screw still stubbornly inside!
At least its out and the frame spar hole is in place. No chance to weld a new nut to the spar (No welder, No Access.... Oh and I cant weld!)
Out with the JB Weld, a few dabs to hold the nut in place and let it cure.
All went to plan after that, and the crash bars went on without too much of a struggle.
Bars match the frame colour very well.
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https://www.xs650.com/threads/just-ride.54772/page-167 #3,336
I had a couple of wobbly stops at junctions.
Although I put the seat in the 'low' position, the bike rides tall. Even though I'm 6'2'' my inside leg is only 32''.
I can get the balls of my feet firmly down on the road; but if the road is cambered it sometimes feels a little precarious.
More so when Mrs.C is moving on the pillion.
I decided to fit some SW-Motech engine bars to help out in a low speed or stopped fall.
Seemed a simple enough job with all the parts and fittings required supplied in the kit (Although very poor instructions).
Left hand side went on fairly easy once I tried a test fit.
Moved to the right hand side and my troubles began.
The top mount has a captive nut welded to the frame spar to take the 5mm Allen head fitting and spacer.
The thread on mine was filled with a sheared screw, by some PO. Try as I might it would not budge.
Simply drill it out.... this screw must be made of Cryptonite; A gallon of WD40 and 4 drill bits later and it moved.
Note: Didn't have any left hand drill bits; must get some.
A few taps with a hammer and punch and the nut came away with the screw still stubbornly inside!
At least its out and the frame spar hole is in place. No chance to weld a new nut to the spar (No welder, No Access.... Oh and I cant weld!)
Out with the JB Weld, a few dabs to hold the nut in place and let it cure.
All went to plan after that, and the crash bars went on without too much of a struggle.
Bars match the frame colour very well.
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Hi @Niels BYours look a different than the type on mine, or maybe it’s the pictures, mine is connected left to right - looks like yours only attach to one side.
Seems like a royal pain in the neck you had getting the right side fitted
Yes, sure is different. I Prefer the round tube front cross pipe you have. Mine is a recent purchase so maybe the design changed over time. RH side was a pig due to PO snapping a bolt in the captive nut.
Happy now, but prefer the naked look without the scaffolding!
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yea maybe, or different brand, mine was on when i bought it - actually thought it was standard (I'm second owner), looked back and found this list of aftermarked parts original owner added to the bike - he must have spend a fortune, I got for 8K back in 2010 with ridiculous low miles (under 7000), now i see it's BMW head protectors but not sure if that's the black plastic protectors on the head or the guard itself he refer to.
BMW did offer an OE crash bar back in 2005; possibly original fitted to my recently acquired bike. Maybe the PO snapped the bolt removing them and sold separately. I’m the third owner of this 2005 machine with just 7400 miles. I want to keep it as factory spec as possible as it’s a minter. The SW Motech bars were the nearest I could find to OE. It’s a superb machine and changed my perception of BMW riders. You don’t know until you try one.A worthy addition, and they look factory!
BMW ABS WOES....Oh No!
Beautiful morning sunshine and I decide to ride to work today. Merlin (GL1000) and Taffy (XS650) are both undergoing further surgery so its The Brat only today. At the workshop space is at a premium so I move Merlin out of the way, a strenuous task, to allow me to back The Brat out of the shop. I then tog up into my riding gear. Turn on the ignition; the bike makes its usual noises as it checks systems and then I fire up; all good. Helmet and gloves on, Sena intercom connected to listen the local radio; leg over and away we go........ Or don't as it happens! As I tried to pull away it felt like the bike was dragging a brake; mabe it will loosen off after a few wheel rotations. 20 meters to the road junction and cautiously apply brakes early and.... Nothing; very little retardation and I don't feel safe. Ride around the block back to the shop. Feeling a little pi$$ed off I put The Brat back, remove riding gear and jump in the truck to get to work. Surely it can't have failed in under 8,000 miles?
In work I start investigating online what is a known failure issue with these early BMW ABS systems. I have a number of options; but as the bike is showroom fresh and low milage I really want to keep it factory original, but at what price.
The Offending Article
Option 1: Get a new ABS Unit from BMW.
Last quoted at 2000€ plus about 1000€ fitting.
No longer availible from factory / Dealers.
Cost: £ Squillions
Option 2A: Rebuild my failed unit
ECU TESTING UK offers this service if you send them your unit. It a comprehensive service too including shipping and step by step information of the progress. On reciept they check the entire unit including the electronics module. replace all servicable parts and test.
Thier website states 2008 machine or later; mine is 2005. They will look at it and if they can't fix it will charge a £49.00 inspection fee.
WEB: https://www.ecutesting.com/product-catalogue/bmw/r1200gs/abs-pump-ecumodule-combined/amc108633/
Cost: £310.00
Option 3A: ABS delete.
Its is possible to remove the entire ABS system and reset the braking to a 'normal' hydraulic operation. This involes removal of the ABS pump and associated pipework saving quite a few Kg of wieght. There are a couple of ways of doing this, both reversible and non-reversible. A front brake 'loop' pipe would be required to the front brake lines to bypass the ABS pump circuit. The electronics module must be retained for bike systems to function. Some brake lines may be required depending on model.
Cost around £250.00
BMW MOTORWORKS UK Provide the following: https://www.motorworks.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=+Abs+bypass+kit
Option 3B: ABS delete.
RH ELECTRONICS Germany: https://rhelectronics.de/en
This company offers a pump replacement kit with a new electronics module for bike systems. You still loose the whole ABS function.
Cost: 799€ + Shipping and import duties.
Option 4: Ebay replacement unit
This is last resort for me as any secondhand part is prone to faliure at some time, if not already faulty.
Price £150.00 - £300.00
YouTube has a number of videos about the removal of the ABS system, and it looks straightforward enough; It would be the most economical soloution for what is to many a low cost old bike. As my machine is mint I would like to keep it in factory specification. So I am drawn towards the ECU Testing Rebuild.
Before that however some forums suggest checking the brake light lever switches which can fail or go out of specification. Possibly a sticking caliper or pad could trigger this failure. It amazing BMW put this under developed system in place with no failsafe backup in the event of the faliure. You loose up to 80% of brakes when this happens, to which I can attest.
Sadly all three of my bikes are now out of action.
Best,
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Beautiful morning sunshine and I decide to ride to work today. Merlin (GL1000) and Taffy (XS650) are both undergoing further surgery so its The Brat only today. At the workshop space is at a premium so I move Merlin out of the way, a strenuous task, to allow me to back The Brat out of the shop. I then tog up into my riding gear. Turn on the ignition; the bike makes its usual noises as it checks systems and then I fire up; all good. Helmet and gloves on, Sena intercom connected to listen the local radio; leg over and away we go........ Or don't as it happens! As I tried to pull away it felt like the bike was dragging a brake; mabe it will loosen off after a few wheel rotations. 20 meters to the road junction and cautiously apply brakes early and.... Nothing; very little retardation and I don't feel safe. Ride around the block back to the shop. Feeling a little pi$$ed off I put The Brat back, remove riding gear and jump in the truck to get to work. Surely it can't have failed in under 8,000 miles?
In work I start investigating online what is a known failure issue with these early BMW ABS systems. I have a number of options; but as the bike is showroom fresh and low milage I really want to keep it factory original, but at what price.
The Offending Article
Option 1: Get a new ABS Unit from BMW.
Last quoted at 2000€ plus about 1000€ fitting.
No longer availible from factory / Dealers.
Cost: £ Squillions
Option 2A: Rebuild my failed unit
ECU TESTING UK offers this service if you send them your unit. It a comprehensive service too including shipping and step by step information of the progress. On reciept they check the entire unit including the electronics module. replace all servicable parts and test.
Thier website states 2008 machine or later; mine is 2005. They will look at it and if they can't fix it will charge a £49.00 inspection fee.
WEB: https://www.ecutesting.com/product-catalogue/bmw/r1200gs/abs-pump-ecumodule-combined/amc108633/
Cost: £310.00
Option 3A: ABS delete.
Its is possible to remove the entire ABS system and reset the braking to a 'normal' hydraulic operation. This involes removal of the ABS pump and associated pipework saving quite a few Kg of wieght. There are a couple of ways of doing this, both reversible and non-reversible. A front brake 'loop' pipe would be required to the front brake lines to bypass the ABS pump circuit. The electronics module must be retained for bike systems to function. Some brake lines may be required depending on model.
Cost around £250.00
BMW MOTORWORKS UK Provide the following: https://www.motorworks.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=+Abs+bypass+kit
Option 3B: ABS delete.
RH ELECTRONICS Germany: https://rhelectronics.de/en
This company offers a pump replacement kit with a new electronics module for bike systems. You still loose the whole ABS function.
Cost: 799€ + Shipping and import duties.
Option 4: Ebay replacement unit
This is last resort for me as any secondhand part is prone to faliure at some time, if not already faulty.
Price £150.00 - £300.00
YouTube has a number of videos about the removal of the ABS system, and it looks straightforward enough; It would be the most economical soloution for what is to many a low cost old bike. As my machine is mint I would like to keep it in factory specification. So I am drawn towards the ECU Testing Rebuild.
Before that however some forums suggest checking the brake light lever switches which can fail or go out of specification. Possibly a sticking caliper or pad could trigger this failure. It amazing BMW put this under developed system in place with no failsafe backup in the event of the faliure. You loose up to 80% of brakes when this happens, to which I can attest.
Sadly all three of my bikes are now out of action.
Best,
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Cough, Someone you know might have hinted about BMW ABS issues.
Like you say, the 08 up doesn't care, no ABS no problem
I had an 02 K1200 that went no brakes, it was quite scary. Made for an interesting ride home.
My vote is get rid of the ABS, I put 10K on the 08 GS, no ABS, no issues.
Some years of Beemers are also noted for crap brake lines that fail WAY too early, that ended up being the problem on the K1200.
The later ABS tended to have motor brush issues. A ford Focus used the same Bosch motor with a better brush assembly and was swappable, I had the ford part but never put it in. The ABS unit is um deep inside the bike. If you dive in, look into fuel line quick connect upgrade and perhaps fuel level sender. Other known?? maint issues on some models.
Then there's the GS-911 code reader thing...............
Ah the joys of BMW ownership.
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I put 'angry' because it seems BMW sales are based on the firm's reputation for reliability, but BMW seem to have gone down the route of improving their product by making the bikes more complex and less reliable.
In some ways they have no choice, modern law requires complicated electronics and systems.
Bosch is the root of a lot of the issues. German labor too expensive, they subcontracted everything to China and failed to keep a tight rein on QC, disaster followed.
The Typical BMW customer is wealthy and wants gewgaws and toys to brag about.
RV industry has the same problem, flashy gadgets sell in the showroom but reliability is what matters long term.
Bosch is the root of a lot of the issues. German labor too expensive, they subcontracted everything to China and failed to keep a tight rein on QC, disaster followed.
The Typical BMW customer is wealthy and wants gewgaws and toys to brag about.
RV industry has the same problem, flashy gadgets sell in the showroom but reliability is what matters long term.
Joy of Joys Gary so full of Joy!
Yes I have become aware of most of the BMW foilbles, and maybe I have much to look forwards to. I do like the way the bike rides however. Still undecided as to rebuild the unit via ECU UK or delete the system alltogether..
Cheers
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