Yea hard to compete..........MikesXS was making a 20% mark up selling the Pamco at the same price as he is selling the XScharge ignitions, (That is what Pamcopete's discount was selling the Pamco's through his site after he was pushed out of Mikes), Decided to make more by copying the pamco and cutting out Pete..........The reality is, Mikes could sell their product for 10% less than their price now, and still make more than when they were buying off Pete.........